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Re: Bored Ape conference attendees wake up with eye pain, vision loss

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Post by komali2 »

turok wrote: post #416
gryn wrote: post #274

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What baffling is how did they get this popular ? Plenty of stupid things to go around, why this specific one? Who was the marketing genius that convinced a critical mass to buy something worse than sand in the middle of the desert.

My opinion, I am not an expert by any means, I have only read the bitcoin whitepaper and written some very trivial blockchains to further my own understanding: Blockchain and cryptocurrencies are impressive novel technology, they suit how they are used and work as a fungible token/currency. The underlying tech is impressive, like cryptography, and cannot (backdoors excepted) be broken for its intended purpose. Smart…

> There is a legitimate use case for artists but that isn't what is driving the new mania.

> This time there are massive technical gotchas (you have a link to a .jpg hosted on a server or servers, you don't own the copyright to anything).

It sounds like you've reconciled this, I'm curious how?

Re: Bored Ape conference attendees wake up with eye pain, vision loss

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Post by porkbeer »

hoorible wrote: post #413
illumin8 wrote: post #404

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not all crypto bros are ignorant and don't know how to use proper hearing protection or firearm safety. In fact, not all of them are gun nuts or hardcore libertarians. 52 million Americans own crypto, do you really think they're all like that?

“not all men”-ing libertarian crypto bro gun nuts is really a “fourth-level-down in Inception” own goal

Who was the gun nut in your fantasy? All I read was guys shooting and not wearing protection, something any 'gun nut' would know and preach. Seems you are inserting your own, unfounded, bias.

Re: Bored Ape conference attendees wake up with eye pain, vision loss

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Post by porkbeer »

silisili wrote: post #227
Animats wrote: post #203

This is pathetic. The original promoters behind BAYC, two guys from Florida and the son of some official of a bank in Africa, were rave promoters. They botched their metaverse project, Otherside, but that was technically ambitious. The people running it now can't even run a medium-sized rave properly. Earlier ApeFest events were only for BAYC holders and had a celebrity lineup. This time they sold tickets to anyone.…

> two guys from Florida And that's all I need to know. I avoid buying from, selling to, or doing business with anyone from FL if I can, I've been burnt too many times. I'm not sure if the state attracts shady characters, or produces them, or both.

Wow this is the most bigoted thing ive seen here in a minute. But please, read up on 'sunshine laws' and why 'florida man' is just everyman, but with more state transperancy. Or don't. Wouldn't want to challenge your asinine biases, thats your own duty.

Re: Bored Ape conference attendees wake up with eye pain, vision loss

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Post by asadotzler »

neilv wrote: post #322
asadotzler wrote: post #308

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, maybe don't put your health and safety in the hands of hucksters and charlatans.

I've been criticizing "crypto" as much as almost anyone, but blaming the victim of eye damage at an event doesn't seem appropriate.

I wouldn't trust a crypto convention to not drop the roof on my head.

Seriously, I've put on shows and it's a lot of effort with a million things that can go wrong, some of which can go deadly wrong. I won't go to a show if I don't have faith in the outfit setting up the show and so my faith in any crypto company to not create deadly environments is pretty low.

Re: Bored Ape conference attendees wake up with eye pain, vision loss

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Post by turok »

komali2 wrote: post #421
turok wrote: post #416

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My opinion, I am not an expert by any means, I have only read the bitcoin whitepaper and written some very trivial blockchains to further my own understanding: Blockchain and cryptocurrencies are impressive novel technology, they suit how they are used and work as a fungible token/currency. The underlying tech is impressive, like cryptography, and cannot (backdoors excepted) be broken for its intended purpose. Smart…

> There is a legitimate use case for artists but that isn't what is driving the new mania. > This time there are massive technical gotchas (you have a link to a .jpg hosted on a server or servers, you don't own the copyright to anything). It sounds like you've reconciled this, I'm curious how?

The use-case may be valid but the implementation doesn't necessarily facilitate it.

I'm stating in the first quote that there is an idea of artists selling their work, but that isn't what is driving the accelerated adoption.

In the second quote I point out some of the technical deficiencies, it is supposed to contrast the first. It doesn't reconcile.

The comment chain is on the topic of why these technical deficiencies are news to so many people, my opinion is that we skipped the scrutiny that BTC experienced and we experienced a gold rush.

Re: Bored Ape conference attendees wake up with eye pain, vision loss

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Post by Breza »

endgame wrote: post #230

There's no reason the party with unsafe UV lights had to be a crypto-party. While I'm no NFT bagholder, it bothers me that the article is mostly about dunking on cryptobros than talking about the dangers of hazardous lighting rigs at a show. At any event, how is an attendee supposed to assess such a thing? It's not like you can DYOR.

I appreciate your thoughts here. I think one reason for the crypto criticism is the frequent use of "laser eyes" by members of the community. This story just fits too well not to bring it up.

Re: Bored Ape conference attendees wake up with eye pain, vision loss

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Post by bethekind »

codetrotter wrote: post #355
bethekind wrote: post #101

TLDR; Basically too much UV light resulted in people getting skin burns and burned, red eyes The likely cause imo? Someone bought/used UVB fluorescent tubes/lights (~200nm) instead of LED UVA (~400nm) as blacklights . They're cheaper, brighter and have a stronger effect. Unprotected skin/eyes can feel the difference in I don't think these were UVC, since the UV light affects DNA in a logarithmic scale. UVC is soooo m…

> regular defocusing to relax the eyes I wonder if we lived in nature instead of cities, if there would be times when we'd relax our eyes and just sit in the grass with defocused vision. It would be nice, I think.

I like that idea.

The sky is blank and blue, effectively out of focus. Fields and clouds are usually as well.

I think they help the brain be like "hmmm I'm not seeing distinct lines and edges here. Maybe I should encourage the eye to be better at looking into distances"

This is the exact opposite of what happens in front of a computer screen. The brain is likely, 'whoah this is too much contrast. Maybe I'm too good at seeing into the distance. Let's fix that by making the eyeball longer'

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