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Lessons I wish I had learned before teaching differential equations [pdf] (1997)

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Re: Lessons I wish I had learned before teaching differential equations [pdf] (1997)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem isn't writing a better text, it's having departments willing to teach it, or to try alternate approaches at all.

The OP referenced the Khan Academy as an attempt to displace the ossified educational institutions we have. But it has its own limitations and challenges, some of which will soon be rendered moot by the coming wave of AI technologies, perhaps giving it the final push it needs to truly take hold. Can imagine a world where it doesn't matter where or how you get your education, all that matters is that you can have your…

This might work well for knowledge/IC-based attainment. There are still other groups, who are possibly the majority when combined:

Some people are there for "the experience", no matter how much it costs, nor how little benefit it results in. They will still be paying $80k for an experience that qualifies them for nothing, even though they had that qualification already before they started.

Some other people are there for the network, and/or will learn leadership skills in that environment. They can't build/learn those things in an online environment.

Re: Lessons I wish I had learned before teaching differential equations [pdf] (1997)

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“Why is it that no one has undertaken the task of cleaning the Augean stables of elementary differential equations? I will hazard an answer: for the same reason why we see so little change anywhere today, whether in society, in politics, or in science“ I see a lot of parallels with the Physics department and I think the reason is much more depressing. Both fields embrace a sort of masochism and active desire to keep…

What's the problem with a good book, age? Baby Rudin's first edition is 70 and the latest one is from 1976. It's still widely used and will be for a while.

Honestly your problem was that you didn't know any Classical Mechanics yet and you were assuming that the volume of recent developments made old books obsolete. Maybe in Biology, in Physics getting to recent developments would mean that you're familiar with Goldstein, Landau's Vol. I... Abraham-Marsden? Arnold? Those are old.

Often newer editions actually worsen textbooks and then only a few contemporary books become references in the long run. It's always been like this, there's tons of great books from the 70s that aren't used today and could definitely do. At least they're not ~1,000 pp. of waffle, which is what you usually get for your first textbook on anything nowadays.

Re: Lessons I wish I had learned before teaching differential equations [pdf] (1997)

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“Why is it that no one has undertaken the task of cleaning the Augean stables of elementary differential equations? I will hazard an answer: for the same reason why we see so little change anywhere today, whether in society, in politics, or in science“ I see a lot of parallels with the Physics department and I think the reason is much more depressing. Both fields embrace a sort of masochism and active desire to keep…

This masochism also applies to classical music (eg violin). Decades of rote before you’re allowed to express your own musical thoughts.

Re: Lessons I wish I had learned before teaching differential equations [pdf] (1997)

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I went to grad school for chemical engineering a decade ago and part of my frustration with the courses is that the math was never rigorous enough; when I asked for clarification, the inconsistencies were glossed over and hand-waved away.

The linked article mentions differential forms, which is a perfect example. In engineering courses, these are often introduced without any rigor or formality. They just “appear” as a way of rewriting the equation. What is a “differential”? Who knows. Is there some kind of axiomatic basis for how these symbols can be manipulated in a consistent way? Who knows. But here are the steps to solve the equation; good luck on the test.

Another example is the quantum chemistry class I took (my first introduction to quantum mechanics). The professor mentioned something about how you can take a measurement and collapse the wave function of an electron; the probability of measuring its position at any location in space is non-zero. I followed up with some question about an experiment to confine the wave function collapse to certain regions of space which could be used to transfer information faster than the speed of light, which I thought wasn’t possible. My question was mostly met with a blank stare and something along the lines of “this course doesn’t cover that” before the professor moved on.

The most egregious example was a grad-level course on statistical mechanics. The professor mentioned something about the overall wave function of the system being a Slater determinant of individual wave functions. A student (not me) asked why we have wave functions for individual particles and a separate one for the overall system, and which was more “correct” fundamentally? The professor replied that the wave functions for the individual particles were more fundamental, and the overall wave function for the system was just an approximation. I replied, sure, the Slater determinant is a way of enforcing certain constraints that must be met for the whole system, but one of the defining features of quantum mechanics is that the function describing the state of the entire system is generally inseparable; without this we couldn’t have entanglement. The professor dismissed my response as incorrect and said students shouldn’t challenge professors on topics they don’t know anything about. This was a guy whose research career was built on dozens of computational chemistry papers that heavily utilized DFT by the way (and by “research”, I mean plug a file with atom coordinates and atom types into the DFT software, run the software, and publish the results).

Re: Lessons I wish I had learned before teaching differential equations [pdf] (1997)

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“Why is it that no one has undertaken the task of cleaning the Augean stables of elementary differential equations? I will hazard an answer: for the same reason why we see so little change anywhere today, whether in society, in politics, or in science“ I see a lot of parallels with the Physics department and I think the reason is much more depressing. Both fields embrace a sort of masochism and active desire to keep…

> Both fields embrace a sort of masochism and active desire to keep knowledge impenetrable b/c it acts as a mechanism to feed out the dummies. The system acts an an informal IQ test - that maintains the prestige of the departments. If you're pigheaded and clever enough to get through the masochistic torture is that their undergrad textbooks then you're probably pretty clever and so the prestige of the degrees is maintained.

In a twist of irony anyone could have predicted: this selects for the middle of the bell curve, and not the right-hand tail.

I feel as though there are a set of personality qualities that must not be present in order to achieve anything worthwhile. Wasting time, frivolous activities, and fostering an outsized ego are just a few.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Physics doing the work of actually teaching math is a universal embarrassment to math departments. Or, well, it should be.

I remember my first calculus exam at the University: I made a lot of explanations and justifications based of physics. Of course I did not pass. As I asked why? It was all correct, right? The prof. said “is perfect reasoning, but this is the math department, physics is one floor below”

He’s right - intuitive physical reasoning is useful (and often valid in the applied sciences) but it isn’t rigorous mathematical proof.

Some areas of mathematics are applicable to physical realities, but they aren’t defined by those realities.

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Nicely written. But isn't a corollary that we should stop exams in Maths (and Physics/etc/etc) degrees and just teach people who want to learn, how much they want to learn? Exams are for people designing bridges and doing surgery. Basic science just learn and start doing some to see if it is for you.

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Previous discussion from 2022... https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32530035

They talk (rightly) about mathematics replacing infinitely small but not 0 numbers with limits there. Infinitesimals were later reintroduced with rigor through https://mathworld.wolfram.com/NonstandardAnalysis.html I have long thought such would be easier to work with on modern computers.

Note though, that nonstandard analysis isn't compatible with more "intuitionistic" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axiom_of_determinacy (in place of axiom on choice), which free you from Banach–Tarski paradox and have some other appealing properties.

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“Why is it that no one has undertaken the task of cleaning the Augean stables of elementary differential equations? I will hazard an answer: for the same reason why we see so little change anywhere today, whether in society, in politics, or in science“ I see a lot of parallels with the Physics department and I think the reason is much more depressing. Both fields embrace a sort of masochism and active desire to keep…

> I had a lot of hope for things like Khan Academy, but the issue is video is not text and it's hard to iterate and improve on When the entire video is generated by an AI, that dynamic changes. It's no issue to improve "the script", and have it seamlessly regenerated. We can't be that far away from this capability, and it could have a profound impact on available learning resources.

Then you could simply read the script — no need for the video at all.
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