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Re: There is a new version of GPT-4 Turbo now live in ChatGPT

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Post by rockemsockem »

apwell23 wrote: post #63
terhechte wrote: post #6

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I use it usually 10-20 times per day. 5-10 when I'm not working and like 20-30 when I'm working. It saves me a huge amount of time. It would already make sense at a wage of $20 but I earn more and so it is so much worth it. Even if I earn no wage (say a indie dev working on a game) it would still be useful because I save time which I can invest in other things (or play video games). I'd honestly pay $50-$100 for it a…

You seem like a power user . Can you tell me why it can't process basic questions https://chat.openai.com/c/19a2280c-1dc6-4f77-9313-c61ff4be4d... What am I doing wrong here ?

Since the link doesn't load I'm guessing here, but using gpt3.5 will definitely give a far worse experience than gpt4, especially for code.

Re: There is a new version of GPT-4 Turbo now live in ChatGPT

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Post by ben_w »

jhardy54 wrote: post #78
appplication wrote: post #66

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Infinite loops and the halting problem are separate issues. You can detect infinite loops with basic static analysis.

You can detect some infinite loops with basic static analysis, but detecting all infinite loops would mean that you’ve solved the halting problem.

I think you can detect either all infinite loops or only infinite loops, but there are many loops which might or might not be infinite under any possible test?

So you could refuse to run any code with a loop whose termination isn't easily proven to be guaranteed[0], without violating the halting problem.

[0] And, in practice, terminating quickly. I doubt they want people to start mining bitcoin on all of those expensive H100s.

Re: There is a new version of GPT-4 Turbo now live in ChatGPT

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Post by apwell23 »

wenc wrote: post #69
apwell23 wrote: post #62

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My interactions with chatgpt have been frustrating. It cannot seem to process even basic interactions. Here is an example https://chat.openai.com/share/65c8cbd7-8556-4e02-a726-32eaa8... What am I doing wrong here ?

I tried your prompts and it gave me the right answers. Also onions, chilies and tomatoes are not vegetables. Your response was actually not correct -- GPT actually gave the correct answer.

> Also onions, chilies and tomatoes are not vegetables.

If you look at the first response. First item in there was onions. Second was tomatoes.

> GPT actually gave the correct answer.

what? You just said saying onions is wrong ?

Re: There is a new version of GPT-4 Turbo now live in ChatGPT

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Post by wenc »

apwell23 wrote: post #83
wenc wrote: post #69

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I tried your prompts and it gave me the right answers. Also onions, chilies and tomatoes are not vegetables. Your response was actually not correct -- GPT actually gave the correct answer.

> Also onions, chilies and tomatoes are not vegetables. If you look at the first response. First item in there was onions. Second was tomatoes. > GPT actually gave the correct answer. what? You just said saying onions is wrong ?

Yes. The chat is gone now, but from what I saw, you explicitly asked about shopping for vegetables.

It gave the correct answer but you insisted it missed onions and tomatoes. Yes they were part of the recipe but those aren’t vegetables. Why did you expect it to return onions in its answer?

Do you consider onions and tomatoes to be vegetables? (They are not)

(I also make biryani and there are usually no vegetables in biryani and there was definitely none in the recipe you pasted)

Re: There is a new version of GPT-4 Turbo now live in ChatGPT

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Post by apwell23 »

wenc wrote: post #84
apwell23 wrote: post #83

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> Also onions, chilies and tomatoes are not vegetables. If you look at the first response. First item in there was onions. Second was tomatoes. > GPT actually gave the correct answer. what? You just said saying onions is wrong ?

Yes. The chat is gone now, but from what I saw, you explicitly asked about shopping for vegetables . It gave the correct answer but you insisted it missed onions and tomatoes. Yes they were part of the recipe but those aren’t vegetables. Why did you expect it to return onions in its answer? Do you consider onions and tomatoes to be vegetables? (They are not) (I also make biryani and there are usually no vegetables in…

> Yes they were part of the recipe but those aren’t vegetables. Why did you expect it to return onions in its answer?

https://imgur.com/a/vzMdwWl

Because Chatgpt said onions and tomatoes are 'commonly used vegetables' ? That was my first question. Can you please reread chatgpt answer carefully where it says onions and tomatoes are 'commonly used vegetables' .

Its not relevant what i consider vegetables. I built my question on what chatgpt said it considers as vegetables.

Unrelated:

> Do you consider onions and tomatoes to be vegetables? (They are not)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Onion

"An onion (Allium cepa L., from Latin cepa meaning "onion"), also known as the bulb onion or common onion, is a vegetable that is the most widely cultivated species of the genus Allium. "

Re: There is a new version of GPT-4 Turbo now live in ChatGPT

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Post by blharr »

op00to wrote: post #75
unsupp0rted wrote: post #24

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For me it’s a steal at 5x the price. Maybe 10x.

Not until they stop training on my conversations.

According to them, "We do not train on your data from ChatGPT Enterprise or our API Platform"

https://openai.com/enterprise-privacy

Though I'm not sure if this covers other analysis of the data, or if it's something only for Enterprise API users.

Re: There is a new version of GPT-4 Turbo now live in ChatGPT

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Post by wenc »

apwell23 wrote: post #85
wenc wrote: post #84

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Yes. The chat is gone now, but from what I saw, you explicitly asked about shopping for vegetables . It gave the correct answer but you insisted it missed onions and tomatoes. Yes they were part of the recipe but those aren’t vegetables. Why did you expect it to return onions in its answer? Do you consider onions and tomatoes to be vegetables? (They are not) (I also make biryani and there are usually no vegetables in…

> Yes they were part of the recipe but those aren’t vegetables. Why did you expect it to return onions in its answer? https://imgur.com/a/vzMdwWl Because Chatgpt said onions and tomatoes are 'commonly used vegetables' ? That was my first question. Can you please reread chatgpt answer carefully where it says onions and tomatoes are 'commonly used vegetables' . Its not relevant what i consider vegetables. I built my qu…

I apologize. There’s a lot of debate as to whether onions and tomatoes are fruits or vegetables and they can both be vegetables according to many sources.

Re: There is a new version of GPT-4 Turbo now live in ChatGPT

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Post by TeMPOraL »

wenc wrote: post #87
apwell23 wrote: post #85

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> Yes they were part of the recipe but those aren’t vegetables. Why did you expect it to return onions in its answer? https://imgur.com/a/vzMdwWl Because Chatgpt said onions and tomatoes are 'commonly used vegetables' ? That was my first question. Can you please reread chatgpt answer carefully where it says onions and tomatoes are 'commonly used vegetables' . Its not relevant what i consider vegetables. I built my qu…

I apologize. There’s a lot of debate as to whether onions and tomatoes are fruits or vegetables and they can both be vegetables according to many sources.

As the saying goes, knowledge is knowing onions and tomatoes are fruits; wisdom is not putting them in a fruit salad.

(And of course the whole issue is bullshit - it stems from us using words that are kinda, but not quite, genotype classifiers, in contexts where we want phenotype classifiers. Tomato is a fruit, but does not go with fruit salad. A whale is a mammal, but you use a fishing ship to hunt for it, etc. There are grasses you cut with a chain saw, and trees you cut with a lawn mower. Plenty of legacy descriptors in common language.)

Re: There is a new version of GPT-4 Turbo now live in ChatGPT

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Post by DonHopkins »

ben_w wrote: post #82
jhardy54 wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can detect some infinite loops with basic static analysis, but detecting all infinite loops would mean that you’ve solved the halting problem.

I think you can detect either all infinite loops or only infinite loops, but there are many loops which might or might not be infinite under any possible test? So you could refuse to run any code with a loop whose termination isn't easily proven to be guaranteed[0], without violating the halting problem. [0] And, in practice, terminating quickly . I doubt they want people to start mining bitcoin on all of those expen…

Way back in the day, I heard a rumor that the Cray 1 could execute an infinite loop in 7.6 seconds.

Re: There is a new version of GPT-4 Turbo now live in ChatGPT

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Post by op00to »

blharr wrote: post #86
op00to wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not until they stop training on my conversations.

According to them, "We do not train on your data from ChatGPT Enterprise or our API Platform" https://openai.com/enterprise-privacy Though I'm not sure if this covers other analysis of the data, or if it's something only for Enterprise API users.

I use the API now, but I have to maintain my own "Chat" instance. I'd love to be able to just pay $20, but also keep my history. Right now I'm spending less than $10 a month on GPT-4 API costs, so maybe I don't need to upgrade.
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