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Those are called "trees" and were actively killing them to create farm land to feed an ever growing population.
Have you considered that taking out CO2 from the air will also kill trees and other plant life? CO2 is their air to breath. But of course, let's trust corporations and government to carefully calculate exactly how much CO2 they should take out. Can't wait for the revival of the ice age scare from the 80s...
The first commercial carbon-sucking facility in the US opens in California
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#102This is infinitely dumb. We’re burning carbon to pull some out of the atmosphere… the energy used to power this plant would be better spent just powering the grid and would have an actual positive impact. People are literally celebrating a net positive carbon activity like they’ve accomplished something.
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Indeed, automation is not just about eliminating the payment of wages, it's also about removing the need to burn dinosaurs shuttling hoominz around. How 'bout if workers at carbon capture facilities are prohibited from driving fossil-fueled cars to work. Maybe they could get e-bikes as a job perk ? It would be on-brand.
Or electric shuttle that would pick them up. And/or company could build cheap/free housing for employees nearby. So many good logical solutions!
They are working on one part of the problem, carbon capture. Many others are working on the problems of electric vehicles and green electricity production.
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#104This is infinitely dumb. We’re burning carbon to pull some out of the atmosphere… the energy used to power this plant would be better spent just powering the grid and would have an actual positive impact. People are literally celebrating a net positive carbon activity like they’ve accomplished something.
Of course, because tech and hype, woohoo. Never mind forests or even better swamps capture carbon "for free".
The world emissions per capita are presently around 5T per year, per capita. The world has 5 billion hectares (out of 13B total) of agricultural land in general, overall (and generally if land _could_ be used for agriculture it _is_ used for agriculture), so generally, there's not a tonne of space to do lots of carbon sequestering quickly with agriculture, especially as you'd need to move the carbon you've created somewhere else.
The moral is that if you can ever get sequestering carbon down such that you can sequester 1 tonne of carbon for 20MWh power, you're close to a major winner, at least in all the deserts where you clearly can't grow bamboo but can grow solar, because at that point your cost of operations is just cost of infra. That startup thinks it can get down to around 1MWh/tonne, which is comparatively awesome!
My conclusion (before getting to something super scientific) was that if you want to rely on trees and swamps for your carbon capture, you basically end up with massive geopolitical issues because you need to cover most of the world in trees and swamps, but most of the world's land is already used to grow food. Meanwhile, carbon capture can work in areas where land is not (as) valuable.
If they are able to get to $50/tonne, that implies 1MWh/tonne, so that's about 500 tonnes/year per hectare. That'd mean that if you covered arizona in solar panels, you'd be sequestering 1/5 of human carbon output. Whereas if you grew bamboo, you'd cover the contiguous US for the same output.
Do I believe them? No. But even 10x worse is cheap enough to change the world.
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Of course, because tech and hype, woohoo. Never mind forests or even better swamps capture carbon "for free".
I while ago I rand some relatively unscientific numbers, and learned that even swamps and forests are relatively inefficient users of space as it pertained to carbon capture. For example, a well managed bamboo plantation will yield 25T/hectare/year of bamboo, and this includes quite a bit of labour for the management. Meanwhile, the same area, covered in solar panels, will get you to around 500MWh per year of produce…
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#106can we bring back ice age if we build enough of these?
It's interesting, the limiting factors for biomass production are bioavailable nitrogen, carbon dioxide, sunlight and water, in that order. The ability to remove carbon dioxide from the air is the ability to modulate the amount of life on the planet, even to 0 if desired.
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Or electric shuttle that would pick them up. And/or company could build cheap/free housing for employees nearby. So many good logical solutions!
How is that logical? You want a nascent carbon capture startup to also build employee housing and/or operate a bus line. That sounds like a great waste of money and resources. They are working on one part of the problem, carbon capture. Many others are working on the problems of electric vehicles and green electricity production.
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#110Earlier quoted context omitted.
I while ago I rand some relatively unscientific numbers, and learned that even swamps and forests are relatively inefficient users of space as it pertained to carbon capture. For example, a well managed bamboo plantation will yield 25T/hectare/year of bamboo, and this includes quite a bit of labour for the management. Meanwhile, the same area, covered in solar panels, will get you to around 500MWh per year of produce…
It indeed doesn't sound too bad this way, as long as we can realistically assume this is running 100% on renewables, ie not at night for solar. What's a bit unclear as of now is how much energy and thus possibly co2 emissions went into constructing this thing (material, transportation, etc.) and how long it will take to offset those. One or two years fine, ten years well, we'd have to see what the actual running cost…