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'The Marvels' has the worst opening weekend ever for any MCU film at $47M

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Re: 'The Marvels' has the worst opening weekend ever for any MCU film at $47M

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Post by morkalork »

dijit wrote: post #4

They keep making boring content and using progressiveness as a cover, IE: if you find the stories bland and the characters having no depth then you must be racist, homophobic or misogynistic. But I think a larger cohort of people have realised that, no, actually people were not slamming these movies because everyone is anti-progressive. The only issue now is that Disney owns half of all media, so if you like movies o…

IMO its more like they're tapped out general appeal and are trying to monetize and cash out on niche groups. They're just throwing accusations about because its not working. What, just because I'm , I'm supposed to fork out cash and see the movie because they headlined an character in/portraying that demographic? Fuck that

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Post by Apocryphon »

kjreact wrote: post #7
dijit wrote: post #4

They keep making boring content and using progressiveness as a cover, IE: if you find the stories bland and the characters having no depth then you must be racist, homophobic or misogynistic. But I think a larger cohort of people have realised that, no, actually people were not slamming these movies because everyone is anti-progressive. The only issue now is that Disney owns half of all media, so if you like movies o…

Sorry, but season 2 of Loki was a nonsensical mess of a show. They used up most of their best ideas in season 1. I think it’s time for Disney to give the MCU a rest and come back to it in a decade or two.

Loki was absolutely incomprehensible but between the emotive acting and good production (both the practical effects-looking retro sets and the musical score) it made the show probably the best Disney+ content besides Andor, imo. The finale is surprisingly effective, and affecting.

Someone on Twitter likened Loki to a really expensive version of Doctor Who, and based on what little I know of that show, I can see that. The cosmic time-jumping sci-fi plot is all nonsense and ancillary to the characters, who are elevated (more than the show deserves) by the talent.

It also reminded me of Terry Pratchett novels, which usually devolve for me into arbitrary magical/fantasy illogic three quarters of the way through deus ex machina style, but the strong characterization, the concepts, and the comedy salvages it.

Re: 'The Marvels' has the worst opening weekend ever for any MCU film at $47M

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Post by Apocryphon »

OrvalWintermute wrote: post #10
dijit wrote: post #4

They keep making boring content and using progressiveness as a cover, IE: if you find the stories bland and the characters having no depth then you must be racist, homophobic or misogynistic. But I think a larger cohort of people have realised that, no, actually people were not slamming these movies because everyone is anti-progressive. The only issue now is that Disney owns half of all media, so if you like movies o…

I think Loki is awesome for a few reasons: great acting by Tom Hiddleston & Sophia Di Martino and excellent chemistry Superb writing Wonderful action and better than movie quality special effects. Many of the other MCU shows & movies are similar in that they have a strong lead, talented villians, excellent writing, easy to understand plot and devices, and great special effects. If we go over the historical heroes and…

Brie Larson is quite good in Lessons in Chemistry on Apple TV+, though ironically it’s by playing a character whose personality it pretty much opposite of her MCU role.

Re: 'The Marvels' has the worst opening weekend ever for any MCU film at $47M

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Post by tapoxi »

I like to think of myself as an average moviegoer, and I have no interest in seeing this film because of a) superhero fatigue (I know exactly what's going to happen) b) these characters aren't interesting, and c) there's too much MCU shit out there that I'm not going to catch up on as a prerequisite.

I did recently beat the new Spider-Man PS5 game, and it was a great time. There were interesting twists on the story, characters I cared about, and the interactivity of it sets it apart from yet another film.

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Post by fordholes »

redundantly wrote: post #17
OrvalWintermute wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This was better than Thor4 Chris Hemsworth Christian Bale Tessa Thompson Jaimie Alexander Taika Waititi Russell Crowe Natalie Portman Shoot... they even cut scenes with talents like Jeff Goldblum (Grandmaster), Peter Dinklage (Eitri) and Lena Headey. Not remotely comparable.

Despite having all of that talent Thor 4 was a dud of a movie.

Made 100s of millions of dollars (net).

Re: 'The Marvels' has the worst opening weekend ever for any MCU film at $47M

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Post by jhbadger »

rayiner wrote: post #18
kdwikzncba wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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There’s lots of reasons movies can be bad, but focusing on woke box checking instead of entertainment is a recurrent reason. It’s like Kamala Harris. Yes, there were unpopular vice presidents before, but she’s bad for the specific reason that Biden selected her to check demographic boxes, despite her terrible 2020 primary campaign.

To be fair, vice presidents almost always are chosen to tick boxes. For example a Northern presidential candidate will often choose a Southern vice presidential candidate and vice versa. Given how little a vice president matters (unless tragedy strikes) using them to "tick boxes" is their primary use.

Re: 'The Marvels' has the worst opening weekend ever for any MCU film at $47M

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Post by Apocryphon »

Superhero movies might be in need of a breather. Fear not, for those who want pulp commercial pop culture fandom adaptations, this year was a turning point for video game movies at the box office, signifying perhaps the next decade plus of Hollywood:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1iiFYDAxv4

Get ready to drown in video game content in quantities that will dwarf superhero comics, which are adapted by only a mere three studios.

Re: 'The Marvels' has the worst opening weekend ever for any MCU film at $47M

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Post by OhioMan2943 »

OrvalWintermute wrote: post #12
jwnin wrote: post #5

This was better than Thor4 or Quantumania. Good action, chemistry, and a decent story. Disney+ probably isn't helping. not being able to do promo work due to the strike didn't help, either.

> This was better than Thor4 Chris Hemsworth Christian Bale Tessa Thompson Jaimie Alexander Taika Waititi Russell Crowe Natalie Portman Shoot... they even cut scenes with talents like Jeff Goldblum (Grandmaster), Peter Dinklage (Eitri) and Lena Headey. Not remotely comparable.

If big names meant good movies then netflix would be making the definitive best films and television shows in history

Re: 'The Marvels' has the worst opening weekend ever for any MCU film at $47M

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Post by rainonmoon »

Apocryphon wrote: post #27

Superhero movies might be in need of a breather. Fear not, for those who want pulp commercial pop culture fandom adaptations, this year was a turning point for video game movies at the box office, signifying perhaps the next decade plus of Hollywood: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1iiFYDAxv4 Get ready to drown in video game content in quantities that will dwarf superhero comics, which are adapted by only a mere thr…

How on Earth does this guy make a 10 minute long video out of this being the year video game movies dethrone comic book flicks with only two films as evidence? Super Mario and FNAF barely make a pattern, let alone a trend. I don't think you have to worry about drowning in video game films just yet. Meanwhile, Mattel have something like 45 films in the pipeline following Barbie. Point your dread that way instead.

Re: 'The Marvels' has the worst opening weekend ever for any MCU film at $47M

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Post by civilitty »

dijit wrote: post #4

They keep making boring content and using progressiveness as a cover, IE: if you find the stories bland and the characters having no depth then you must be racist, homophobic or misogynistic. But I think a larger cohort of people have realised that, no, actually people were not slamming these movies because everyone is anti-progressive. The only issue now is that Disney owns half of all media, so if you like movies o…

I think they’ve also hit the limits of escalation. That’s the ultimate problem with a large shared cinematic universe. They’ve had to keep escalating the big baddies and now there’s really nowhere to go but down. They haven’t built out the “infrastructure” to focus on the storytelling quality, just what they need to pump out splashy hollywood blockbusters. It’s not like Star Wars where they can tell an infinite number of interesting stories with the endless back and forth between the Empire and Rebel factions in the background.

Where do you go after Thanos wiping out half the universe with the flick of a finger? Thanos 2.0 wiping out 2/3rds of the universe? Who gives a shit. Deadpool is invincible. Scarlet Witch is basically a god. So is Vision. Loki is literally capable of time jumping at will while the universe disintegrates around him. There’s only so much you can lean on zany characters like the Guardians of the Galaxy before they jump the shark too.

All the good TV shows either ran their course (Agents of SHIELD), or were prematurely canceled like Punisher and Luke Cage during the Disney handover. Seriously, what now?

They just keep escalating with Loki. He Who Remains is another one of those deus ex villains that they’ll have to one up even further. Based on the season 2 finale I can’t even tell if they want a season 3 or if thats over too.

/rant

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