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GM Backed "Open Source Protocol" for Connecting Vehicle Apps and Services

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Re: GM Backed "Open Source Protocol" for Connecting Vehicle Apps and Services

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> The purpose of this project shall be to provide a transport agnostic, layered communication protocol that builds on top of existing automotive and Internet standards, from the mechatronic layer (between ECUs, VMs, etc…) up to the Cloud, enabling a connected software defined vehicles. "Up to the cloud" There is no need for a car to "up to the cloud". Just give me a local Bluetooth network that reports back to me eng…

Meanwhile my SO really enjoys starting the car's climate control when she's about to leave her friend, the restaurant or similar, way out of Bluetooth range. Especially during the winter when it's -15C or below it's really nice to step into a warm car compared to an ice cold car.

I don’t want to sell all my data and privacy to car companies so I can have a warm car from a distance.

If you want to make that trade you guys go ahead. Me: bad trade.

Re: GM Backed "Open Source Protocol" for Connecting Vehicle Apps and Services

#12

After the failure of pretty much all embedded automobile platforms like microsoft sync that people really don't want yet another crappy middleware platform, the automotive industry is trying this shit again removing android auto and apple carplay after people actually got what they want. Why? Auto vendors realized they lost control through their ineptitude of the user interface, and want it back. Problem is no one wa…

That hasn't been my experience with a 2021 RAV4. The Toyota system is much more reliable then Carplay. Which I've heard is itself more reliable than android auto.

I imagine partly because it uses the physical buttons located around the screen, partly because automakers have much more stringent requirements for software validation.

e.g. Maybe 1 out of 1000 times the built in maps app crashes, gives an error, or doesn't respond to an input. That ratio is more like 1 in 10 for Maps in Carplay.

Re: GM Backed "Open Source Protocol" for Connecting Vehicle Apps and Services

#13

> The purpose of this project shall be to provide a transport agnostic, layered communication protocol that builds on top of existing automotive and Internet standards, from the mechatronic layer (between ECUs, VMs, etc…) up to the Cloud, enabling a connected software defined vehicles. "Up to the cloud" There is no need for a car to "up to the cloud". Just give me a local Bluetooth network that reports back to me eng…

enabling a connected software defined vehicles.

The end-goal is, not surprisingly, to take away ownership and control. "Open source" is just a distraction, a way to paint this in a trendy positive light. Lots of things that are truly open source are actually user-hostile too. Whether the source is open doesn't really matter here.

Re: GM Backed "Open Source Protocol" for Connecting Vehicle Apps and Services

#14

> The purpose of this project shall be to provide a transport agnostic, layered communication protocol that builds on top of existing automotive and Internet standards, from the mechatronic layer (between ECUs, VMs, etc…) up to the Cloud, enabling a connected software defined vehicles. "Up to the cloud" There is no need for a car to "up to the cloud". Just give me a local Bluetooth network that reports back to me eng…

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Re: GM Backed "Open Source Protocol" for Connecting Vehicle Apps and Services

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After the failure of pretty much all embedded automobile platforms like microsoft sync that people really don't want yet another crappy middleware platform, the automotive industry is trying this shit again removing android auto and apple carplay after people actually got what they want. Why? Auto vendors realized they lost control through their ineptitude of the user interface, and want it back. Problem is no one wa…

That hasn't been my experience with a 2021 RAV4. The Toyota system is much more reliable then Carplay. Which I've heard is itself more reliable than android auto. I imagine partly because it uses the physical buttons located around the screen, partly because automakers have much more stringent requirements for software validation. e.g. Maybe 1 out of 1000 times the built in maps app crashes, gives an error, or doesn'…

I've never experienced a "crash" in Maps or Google Maps, whether on carplay or on the phone. Maybe there is something wrong with your car/phone?

Carplay & android auto do have issues connecting at first but the apps themselves never seem to crash.

Re: GM Backed "Open Source Protocol" for Connecting Vehicle Apps and Services

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Meanwhile my SO really enjoys starting the car's climate control when she's about to leave her friend, the restaurant or similar, way out of Bluetooth range. Especially during the winter when it's -15C or below it's really nice to step into a warm car compared to an ice cold car.

It doesn't have to be Bluetooth. We had local wireless remote start and control solutions long before "cloud" or even BT or WiFi was a thing.

Add LoRA support to phones and you could have it miles away.

But that would not require a subscription.

Re: GM Backed "Open Source Protocol" for Connecting Vehicle Apps and Services

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Meanwhile my SO really enjoys starting the car's climate control when she's about to leave her friend, the restaurant or similar, way out of Bluetooth range. Especially during the winter when it's -15C or below it's really nice to step into a warm car compared to an ice cold car.

I don’t want to sell all my data and privacy to car companies so I can have a warm car from a distance. If you want to make that trade you guys go ahead. Me: bad trade.

And I find it a bad trade NOW. I can't imagine what it's gonna be like in 10 years once they don't push security updates and the Kia Boys can use years old security bugs to steal your car.

Re: GM Backed "Open Source Protocol" for Connecting Vehicle Apps and Services

#18

> The purpose of this project shall be to provide a transport agnostic, layered communication protocol that builds on top of existing automotive and Internet standards, from the mechatronic layer (between ECUs, VMs, etc…) up to the Cloud, enabling a connected software defined vehicles. "Up to the cloud" There is no need for a car to "up to the cloud". Just give me a local Bluetooth network that reports back to me eng…

At this point the horse is out of the barn. People want a connected center screen. Figure out how to do it in an open way if you must, but telling people not to want it doesn't work.

Re: GM Backed "Open Source Protocol" for Connecting Vehicle Apps and Services

#19

> The purpose of this project shall be to provide a transport agnostic, layered communication protocol that builds on top of existing automotive and Internet standards, from the mechatronic layer (between ECUs, VMs, etc…) up to the Cloud, enabling a connected software defined vehicles. "Up to the cloud" There is no need for a car to "up to the cloud". Just give me a local Bluetooth network that reports back to me eng…

Meanwhile my SO really enjoys starting the car's climate control when she's about to leave her friend, the restaurant or similar, way out of Bluetooth range. Especially during the winter when it's -15C or below it's really nice to step into a warm car compared to an ice cold car.

Fortunately there is 30 year old tech that does exactly this without any modern app-tier enshittification.

You can start a car from 2km away by pushing a button on the key ring. This is a solved problem. That doesn't involve a smartphone.

Re: GM Backed "Open Source Protocol" for Connecting Vehicle Apps and Services

#20

> The purpose of this project shall be to provide a transport agnostic, layered communication protocol that builds on top of existing automotive and Internet standards, from the mechatronic layer (between ECUs, VMs, etc…) up to the Cloud, enabling a connected software defined vehicles. "Up to the cloud" There is no need for a car to "up to the cloud". Just give me a local Bluetooth network that reports back to me eng…

At this point the horse is out of the barn. People want a connected center screen. Figure out how to do it in an open way if you must, but telling people not to want it doesn't work.

People want tactile hard buttons, not a "connected center screen".

Who started this myth?

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