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You Paid $1k for an iPhone, but Apple Still Controls It

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Re: You Paid $1k for an iPhone, but Apple Still Controls It

#81
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Yes. And that's part of what I paid for.

This is a case for post-purchase rationalization. Take an obviously negative trait and spin/distort it in such a way it sounds like an advantage, reinforcing your delusion that you made the right choice. Same for a single, apple-controlled store, the inability to actually install apps without a store, even deciding what browser engine should everyone use.

And this I think is called gaslighting? Telling somebody they are wrong about what they think or feel? Or maybe not gaslighting. What is the term for this? Attack via psychology undermining?

Re: You Paid $1k for an iPhone, but Apple Still Controls It

#82
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post #7

Anecdotal, but back in those "good old days" when you could get a screen replaced in 5 mins like this article said, on the three occasions I did this I ended up with the worst cheap Chinese knock off screens I have ever seen, the last time I ended up spending even more to get a genuine one. Hard to avoid this with small businesses when they need to make the enough of a margin at those cheaper retail prices. I'm sure…

This is SO WEIRD. I've seen this happen so many times around these discussions on HN: There is a valid argument in the source. There is discussion around the argument. There is some proof, there are political discussions. Etc. everything totally normal. But then there is this ONE comment. Usually just one: Anecdotal evidence to spread FUD. And it's up above all that usually discussion. Where is this coming from? Is t…

Where is this coming from?

My theory --- people have some sort of natural affinity toward cults. Even when it is counter to their own best interests.

And Apple is approaching cult status.

Re: You Paid $1k for an iPhone, but Apple Still Controls It

#83
post #73
post #7

Anecdotal, but back in those "good old days" when you could get a screen replaced in 5 mins like this article said, on the three occasions I did this I ended up with the worst cheap Chinese knock off screens I have ever seen, the last time I ended up spending even more to get a genuine one. Hard to avoid this with small businesses when they need to make the enough of a margin at those cheaper retail prices. I'm sure…

This is SO WEIRD. I've seen this happen so many times around these discussions on HN: There is a valid argument in the source. There is discussion around the argument. There is some proof, there are political discussions. Etc. everything totally normal. But then there is this ONE comment. Usually just one: Anecdotal evidence to spread FUD. And it's up above all that usually discussion. Where is this coming from? Is t…

Nah, it’s the kind of experiences you expect in a low-regulation market. You either pay a premium—beyond what would be justified if “defector” manufacturers and vendors weren’t a factor, i.e. if effectively-enforced regulations were mandating a higher quality floor—to a vendor with a good reputation you expect them to want to maintain, or you pay in expertise and time-cost. If you don’t pay in one of those two ways, you probably get screwed. Folks who already possess relevant expertise and have a hobby that looks a lot like the time-cost it takes to achieve the best measured-in-currency outcome in the above, may regard the situation as entirely fine. Folks with enough money not to care that simply paying for a decent product is priced above where it “should” be, also may not care. Everyone else just has to live with a bad situation, and sometimes people who’ve run into that post on HN.

Re: You Paid $1k for an iPhone, but Apple Still Controls It

#84

> Unlike cars, which can be repaired with generic parts by auto shops and do-it-yourself mechanics Give it a few years...

Automotive DRM has typically been cracked or bypassed by the time the car is a few years old. Dealers have the equipment in their shops and it eventually leaks. Mechanics are not hard to bribe. There are also crackers in Russia and China who work on this for their own profit.

Re: You Paid $1k for an iPhone, but Apple Still Controls It

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post #73
post #7

Anecdotal, but back in those "good old days" when you could get a screen replaced in 5 mins like this article said, on the three occasions I did this I ended up with the worst cheap Chinese knock off screens I have ever seen, the last time I ended up spending even more to get a genuine one. Hard to avoid this with small businesses when they need to make the enough of a margin at those cheaper retail prices. I'm sure…

This is SO WEIRD. I've seen this happen so many times around these discussions on HN: There is a valid argument in the source. There is discussion around the argument. There is some proof, there are political discussions. Etc. everything totally normal. But then there is this ONE comment. Usually just one: Anecdotal evidence to spread FUD. And it's up above all that usually discussion. Where is this coming from? Is t…

> Is this natural behavior of people who are also afraid of the freedom to be able to buy parts elsewhere?

No…I doubt that’s it.

Re: You Paid $1k for an iPhone, but Apple Still Controls It

#86

> Unlike cars, which can be repaired with generic parts by auto shops and do-it-yourself mechanics Give it a few years...

Wait til Apple starts producing cars --- which they are supposedly working on.

The Apple car will cost way more than the competition and only they will be allowed to repair it --- and their fans will love it --- because Apple.

Re: You Paid $1k for an iPhone, but Apple Still Controls It

#88
post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My iPhone works really well and I generally trust Apple. So I’m 100% fine with someone else controlling it.

> I generally trust Apple. Why? I can't imagine any kind of real trust relationship except with individual developers or small shops who can be responsive to individual customers. I certainly trust Apple more than Microsoft, but I can't imagine any situation in which I'd say I trusted them (or any other megacorp) in an unqualified sense.

Companies earn trust by being honest and consistent for long enough. I trusted Apple until recently. They lied to me several times over the phone over several weeks (always in a very courteous and professional way). Such a small thing for them to throw away trust for. I had been slowly moving into their ecosystem and I'm now pulling out. Pixel 6 google edition can be found for ~$200 and can be loaded up with de-googled Android ROMs (Calyx, Graphene, others).

Re: You Paid $1k for an iPhone, but Apple Still Controls It

#89

Do you want to control your device or are you okay with someone else controlling it? https://youtu.be/Ag1AKIl_2GM?t=57

My iPhone works really well and I generally trust Apple. So I’m 100% fine with someone else controlling it.

>> My iPhone works really well and I generally trust Apple. So I’m 100% fine with someone else controlling it.

The reality is that most people are choosing to let Apple or Google control their mobile devices.

From what I have read, most free / libre smartphones are not ready for consumer use. Are there are any "good enough for grandma" libre smartphones?

Re: You Paid $1k for an iPhone, but Apple Still Controls It

#90

> Unlike cars, which can be repaired with generic parts by auto shops and do-it-yourself mechanics Give it a few years...

Automotive DRM has typically been cracked or bypassed by the time the car is a few years old. Dealers have the equipment in their shops and it eventually leaks. Mechanics are not hard to bribe. There are also crackers in Russia and China who work on this for their own profit.

They also said that about video games. Now some single player games have an 'always online' requirement and can not be cracked anymore since they rely on content not stored locally. I can see that happening with cars.
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