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Re: Interview with Jeff Geerling

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emptysongglass wrote: post #79
geerlingguy wrote: post #78

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That sounds like some great revisionist history. Thousands of sysadmins, open source devs, even Hatters themselves used CentOS as a proxy for RHEL where they didn't want to deal with licensing crap. In the middle of the CentOS 8 lifecycle, they converted CentOS to CentOS Stream (nobody asked for this), forcing everyone who had migrated their tooling and infra from CentOS 7 to 8 to migrate instead to... what? Rocky/Al…

Jeff, plenty of smarter people than me came out against you to correct your crusade. As a practicing Christian, I'd expect more from you than coming out to lead a mob frothing at the mouth for blood. You didn't even try and have a reasonable discourse with Red Hatters. As an influencer, you have a responsibility not to encourage this kind of social media vitriol that's become all too common. It's a contagion upon the…

Ex-Redhatter that watched stuff go down while defending it till I stopped (much after I left). That's not Redhat anymore, it's IBM.

The lovely RHEL people and CentOS people didn't have a say. We kept hearing and believing that the CentOS stream change was never intended to break CentOS users until they hid the sources.

RHEL is built on open source products, and support is sold. To innovate in open source by coming up with ways to get around GPL (we'll retaliate if you publish our legally publishable sources IIUC) is evil. In direct violation of what every other contributor to linux/GNU/anything GPL ever released their software under.

Disclaimer: I was part of other projects, not this directly, and I had nothing, but respect and love for everyone I worked with. We were in denial then too.

Re: Interview with Jeff Geerling

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emptysongglass wrote: post #105
kelnos wrote: post #95

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I tend not to take seriously the opinions of people who call others who use open source software according to the terms of its license "freeloaders". (And I say this as an open source developer myself, who has spent thousands of hours writing code for free.) If you want to side with Red Hat on this, fine, but it's not necessary to exaggerate the actions of those with an opposing view to the point that you're trying t…

I also don't believe in defending big corporate but Jeff's takes were wildly out of touch with what was actually happening. I do not love Red Hat or any corporation and I think their messaging could have been a lot better but I don't think the people who together make up Alma or Rocky acted in any way in good faith and I do find their desire to have everything hand prepared for them by Red Hat spoiled behavior. The s…

You seem to be on a crusade of the same level of "hate"(your standards, not mine) too. Against a person in fact.

Re: Interview with Jeff Geerling

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Post by emptysongglass »

jchw wrote: post #108
emptysongglass wrote: post #104

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> Hate bandwagon? I'm not a huge follower of Jeff's but I have never seen a single thing from them that I would consider "hateful" or jumping on a bandwagon I'll just address this bit. Yes, it was a hate bandwagon and it wasn't jumping on one, it was leading it. It was all over his LinkedIn and everywhere else he could post at the time.

Something isn't hateful just because you don't like it or don't agree with it. (It's also not a bandwagon just because other people agree with it, but that's neither here nor there at this point.)

It was hateful and yes it was a bandwagon. Go to any Reddit or Lemmy thread about the debacle to see what that looks like.

Re: Interview with Jeff Geerling

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Post by emptysongglass »

yipbub wrote: post #122
emptysongglass wrote: post #105

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I also don't believe in defending big corporate but Jeff's takes were wildly out of touch with what was actually happening. I do not love Red Hat or any corporation and I think their messaging could have been a lot better but I don't think the people who together make up Alma or Rocky acted in any way in good faith and I do find their desire to have everything hand prepared for them by Red Hat spoiled behavior. The s…

You seem to be on a crusade of the same level of "hate"(your standards, not mine) too. Against a person in fact.

I very much dislike folks who use their influence to spread this stuff. Precisely because the way social media works, it amplifies into a crescendo of shallow takes and worst emotion. People with influence have a responsibility not to abuse their position. Calling them out on it (the first I've ever done) is not a "crusade".

Re: Interview with Jeff Geerling

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Post by yipbub »

emptysongglass wrote: post #124
yipbub wrote: post #122

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You seem to be on a crusade of the same level of "hate"(your standards, not mine) too. Against a person in fact.

I very much dislike folks who use their influence to spread this stuff. Precisely because the way social media works, it amplifies into a crescendo of shallow takes and worst emotion. People with influence have a responsibility not to abuse their position. Calling them out on it (the first I've ever done) is not a "crusade".

You replied to many top level comments for a period of time the same period of time with almost the same text. Telling people to disregard this one persons tech content because of software-politics views. Does he not also have the right to call out IBM/Red Hat?

Re: Interview with Jeff Geerling

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Post by emptysongglass »

yipbub wrote: post #125
emptysongglass wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I very much dislike folks who use their influence to spread this stuff. Precisely because the way social media works, it amplifies into a crescendo of shallow takes and worst emotion. People with influence have a responsibility not to abuse their position. Calling them out on it (the first I've ever done) is not a "crusade".

You replied to many top level comments for a period of time the same period of time with almost the same text. Telling people to disregard this one persons tech content because of software-politics views. Does he not also have the right to call out IBM/Red Hat?

> You replied to many top level comments for a period of time the same period of time with almost the same text.

I've reviewed my comments and this is mostly false. Not sure why you felt you needed to put this one in here.

> Does he not also have the right to call out IBM/Red Hat?

"Calling out" does not mean distorting facts to kickstart a rage-fuelled campaign against the company that offers, to this day, the most to the Linux ecosystem, free of charge, freely licensed.

To wit, he is an influencer, I am not, and should be much more careful with how he wields his influence. That was what I have re-iterated, comment by comment.

Re: Interview with Jeff Geerling

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Post by yipbub »

emptysongglass wrote: post #126
yipbub wrote: post #125

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You replied to many top level comments for a period of time the same period of time with almost the same text. Telling people to disregard this one persons tech content because of software-politics views. Does he not also have the right to call out IBM/Red Hat?

> You replied to many top level comments for a period of time the same period of time with almost the same text. I've reviewed my comments and this is mostly false. Not sure why you felt you needed to put this one in here. > Does he not also have the right to call out IBM/Red Hat? "Calling out" does not mean distorting facts to kickstart a rage-fuelled campaign against the company that offers, to this day, the most t…

> I've reviewed my comments and this is mostly false. Not sure why you felt you needed to put this one in here.

Huh, me too. Could've sworn I saw this, and now I don't. My bad...

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