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Is this radical redesign of GIMP possible now?

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Re: Is this radical redesign of GIMP possible now?

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Post by marcinreal »

zelphirkalt wrote: post #97
lofaszvanitt wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Try editing 10 images in a row with Krita and you'll see the issues right away. Layer handling, selection handling and tool placement is cumbersome, to put it mildly. Maybe invite someone who has extensive experience working with photoshop and watch how often he starts to curse or ask for help and whether he uses the gun to shoot himself in the head. Then change things accordingly, if the creators don't use their own…

Not saying you are necessarily wrong about Gimp possibly being able to copy some of the good ideas from Photoshop. However, you basically confirmed what the GP said. If you suggest to put your usual Photoshop user in front of Gimp, without prior experience, then they are bound to walk into unexpected design decisions. Just like a Gimp user would, trying to find things in Photoshop.

I've never used PS and still think Gimp is probably the most unintuitive UI I've ever used.

Re: Is this radical redesign of GIMP possible now?

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Post by epcoa »

zelphirkalt wrote: post #97
lofaszvanitt wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Try editing 10 images in a row with Krita and you'll see the issues right away. Layer handling, selection handling and tool placement is cumbersome, to put it mildly. Maybe invite someone who has extensive experience working with photoshop and watch how often he starts to curse or ask for help and whether he uses the gun to shoot himself in the head. Then change things accordingly, if the creators don't use their own…

Not saying you are necessarily wrong about Gimp possibly being able to copy some of the good ideas from Photoshop. However, you basically confirmed what the GP said. If you suggest to put your usual Photoshop user in front of Gimp, without prior experience, then they are bound to walk into unexpected design decisions. Just like a Gimp user would, trying to find things in Photoshop.

Confirming what the GP said? This is all misdirection. Bottom line the GIMP UI/UX is garbage. There are extremely few people that have used a variety of image editing tools and claim GIMP is actually better. That’s all that matters really. This isn’t some rhetorical exercise.

Re: Is this radical redesign of GIMP possible now?

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Post by Gualdrapo »

rchaud wrote: post #59
rco8786 wrote: post #36

Somewhat tangential but is there any compelling reason to use Gimp over Photopea in 2023?

Sure: - no ads - no "runs best on Chrome" - no network connectivity dependencies

- No need for an account to unlock all features

Re: Is this radical redesign of GIMP possible now?

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Post by eviks »

alpaca128 wrote: post #96
eviks wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's too simplistic of a view, there are way too many gatekeepers with poor UI design sensibilities which won't just merge your "just done the work to improve UI" contribution, which in turn leads to lower chances getting people to contribute such improvements

The linked article talks about a fork created to redesign Gimp's UI, so there were no gatekeepers.

My point was about merging a fork, not creating it.

Re: Is this radical redesign of GIMP possible now?

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Post by wruza »

None of modern UIs are built the way I’d like to work with tool apps as an amateur, nonpro, jack of all trades master of none. I only use a small subset of functions. Old programs which had programmable toolbars in 98/2k+ era were the most useful in that regard. I just set these toolbars (and key bindings) up for frequent functions and was fine with it up until when it disappeared. It reappeared in windows start menu, but that’s it. Configurable UIs are obsolete and over, so we have to explore various common denominators. So that new users could still struggle with finding menu items and power users could still struggle with quick access. Because setting up your workspace went out of fashion.

Re: Is this radical redesign of GIMP possible now?

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Post by michaelmrose »

Almondsetat wrote: post #106
prmoustache wrote: post #101

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> NO RIGHT CLICKING! Nobody does a right click on a crop rectangle. Well, previous commenter just did it. So that just mean that your peremptory decrees are just that. Peremptory and not really universal.

And this is why you will never reach a decent audience for that program

Alternatively it might be the fast that its budget is literally millions of times smaller and with a reasonable budget one would actually hire people instead of hoping random forum talk found its way to implementation via diffusion.

Re: Is this radical redesign of GIMP possible now?

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Post by _c3ag »

NO! WE SHOULD USE RE-DO WITH PIE-MENUS ONLY :P

Universal Search? Like F3 in Blender? Sure! just do it...

i studied for a year advertising and marketing degree at an university and i was at the best grades on photograph and any other class that required some creative stuff. all done in Gimp... i don't know how the late game is but certainly some company wanting the proprietary .blob of your work in Photoshop lang binaries exists. but i also think that if you are highly creative, there's so much to-do with simple tools

edit: not that Gimp can't do complex stuff but i remember clear sizing the boobs of a woman once at Photoshop and having some trouble on how-to with Gimp at home...

Re: Is this radical redesign of GIMP possible now?

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Post by michaelmrose »

Gualdrapo wrote: post #110
pmontra wrote: post #86

The search tool for GIMP is Google. How do I draw a rectangle? Google brings you to https://docs.gimp.org/2.10/en/gimp-using-rectangular.html which starts with "GIMP is not designed to be used for drawing." and then goes on which "However, you may create shapes by either painting them using the technique described in Section 14.1, “Drawing a Straight Line” or by using the selection tools" At that point you realize th…

> GIMP is not designed to be used for drawing And yet they include a brush tool and a pencil tool - as far as I can recall, the brush tool responds to tablet pressure levels. But _not even their own devs_ can't explain logically why a rectangle or a circle drawing tool is a no-no. And go forbid if you criticize that fact in front of them.

Pony up some substantial money and make it contingent on meeting guidelines.

Unless prefer to offer vague suggestions by way of insults to work donated for free.

Re: Is this radical redesign of GIMP possible now?

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Post by CyberDildonics »

echelon wrote: post #26
skrebbel wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Universal search in UI is cool, and I’m all for it, but it shouldn’t be the only/primary way of accessing tools as tool discoverability is very low. This is the core point made in the article.

How do you support discoverability, sleek work areas with minimal interfaces such as search, and power users at the same time? What does that look like?

It looks like most content creation programs where somewhere there is a big list of everything you can look through.

Look at houdini's nodes interface. You hit tab and a huge list of nodes comes up. Start typing and it will filter the list as you type.

Re: Is this radical redesign of GIMP possible now?

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Post by b5n »

Just to contrast the negativity here I'd like to say that GIMP is great software, and I really appreciate all the hard work that has been put into it over the years. It's powerful, easily scriptable, and I'm eternally grateful for everyone's contributions to the project.

https://www.gimp.org/docs/

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