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Re: Is this radical redesign of GIMP possible now?

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Post by prmoustache »

lofaszvanitt wrote: post #81
avhon1 wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> For example in Krita you can't resize a crop rectangle with the mouse that holds its aspect ratio I've never used Krita, but I was skeptical that it can't do this, so I just now installed it and gave it a try. It does have this feature! I made a crop rectangle, then right-clicked on it. A little menu popped up, titled "Crop Tool Actions". One of the things in the menu is a checkbox labeled "Lock Ratio", which was u…

NO RIGHT CLICKING! Nobody does a right click on a crop rectangle. Modifier key. Like you keep shift pressed and it preserves the aspect ratio. Nobody will do another click, then select a menu, then whatever. That's the issue. If you have to edit 100s of images these extra you go the menu, then the submenu, then click, then blablabla, then powpowpow, takes a lot of time. Streamline the user experience. You can only ma…

> NO RIGHT CLICKING! Nobody does a right click on a crop rectangle.

Well, previous commenter just did it. So that just mean that your peremptory decrees are just that. Peremptory and not really universal.

Re: Is this radical redesign of GIMP possible now?

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Post by psd1 »

crazygringo wrote: post #73
542458 wrote: post #14

Universal search in UI is cool, and I’m all for it, but it shouldn’t be the only/primary way of accessing tools as tool discoverability is very low. The author tries to deal with this by putting the a menu next to a search bar and putting hints in the bottom menu (which I don’t think would really work here, as raster tools are less selection-specific than 3D tools). Search fixes the speed-of-access issue, but doesn’t…

Universal UI search is great, and at this point it should be present in all but the simplest applications. I first saw it introduced in Google Docs, and it's precisely for things you suspect exist, but it's not even remotely clear which menu, submenu, or dialog it's in. (Apple OS Settings is another great example of it.) E.g., you want to apply a hanging indent in Docs? Just type "hanging" into the menu search, and i…

My first exposure to command search was in VSCode, so there's that

Re: Is this radical redesign of GIMP possible now?

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Post by avhon1 »

lofaszvanitt wrote: post #81
avhon1 wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> For example in Krita you can't resize a crop rectangle with the mouse that holds its aspect ratio I've never used Krita, but I was skeptical that it can't do this, so I just now installed it and gave it a try. It does have this feature! I made a crop rectangle, then right-clicked on it. A little menu popped up, titled "Crop Tool Actions". One of the things in the menu is a checkbox labeled "Lock Ratio", which was u…

NO RIGHT CLICKING! Nobody does a right click on a crop rectangle. Modifier key. Like you keep shift pressed and it preserves the aspect ratio. Nobody will do another click, then select a menu, then whatever. That's the issue. If you have to edit 100s of images these extra you go the menu, then the submenu, then click, then blablabla, then powpowpow, takes a lot of time. Streamline the user experience. You can only ma…

Modifier keys were the first thing I tried (because that's how I learned to do it in GIMP and Inkscape when I was in high school). When that didn't work, right-clicking on the crop box was the next thing I thought to try. It's a total of 2 clicks: right click to open the menu, then move the mouse down 6 entries, then left-click on the checkbox.

But also, it's my understanding that Krita is not a photo editor, but rather a digital painting program; that any ability it has to edit photos is just because digital paintings are stored in the same file formats as digital photographs. Saying that Krita is unsuited for editing hundreds of photographs is analogous to saying that Visual Studio is unsuitable for creating ASCII art. There are other tools that you're supposed to use for those tasks. For editing hundreds of photographs, I understand Adobe's Lightroom or Bridge to be the intended tools, not Photoshop, nor any tools which are highly similar to Photoshop (GIMP, Krita, or otherwise).

Re: Is this radical redesign of GIMP possible now?

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Post by kossTKR »

holoduke wrote: post #85
542458 wrote: post #14

Universal search in UI is cool, and I’m all for it, but it shouldn’t be the only/primary way of accessing tools as tool discoverability is very low. The author tries to deal with this by putting the a menu next to a search bar and putting hints in the bottom menu (which I don’t think would really work here, as raster tools are less selection-specific than 3D tools). Search fixes the speed-of-access issue, but doesn’t…

I started with rhino3d a while ago. I like that everything can be done by typing a command. By default your cursor is in a command field and everything you type instantly searches for a command. There are menu items as well. But once you get used to typing commands its so damn fast.

Yes! I also encountered this in Rhino 10+ years ago and instantly implemented in multiple online projects with great success.

What's crazy is that i'm pretty most times wasted on a computer is from "where is this setting, how do i do this" type stuff, in users ranging from experts to the elderly.

It's bizarre to me that this hasn't been implemented all over faster. Instead cloud interfaces have become even more esoteric in my opinion.

All functions on a computer should have a tiny descriptive string you can search for.

The GUI paradigm from the last 30 years in was a mistake with nested stuff just hiding in random places. CLI was a bit better when you could pipe / search etc. but for most people Universal Search is it.

Re: Is this radical redesign of GIMP possible now?

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Post by Almondsetat »

prmoustache wrote: post #101
lofaszvanitt wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

NO RIGHT CLICKING! Nobody does a right click on a crop rectangle. Modifier key. Like you keep shift pressed and it preserves the aspect ratio. Nobody will do another click, then select a menu, then whatever. That's the issue. If you have to edit 100s of images these extra you go the menu, then the submenu, then click, then blablabla, then powpowpow, takes a lot of time. Streamline the user experience. You can only ma…

> NO RIGHT CLICKING! Nobody does a right click on a crop rectangle. Well, previous commenter just did it. So that just mean that your peremptory decrees are just that. Peremptory and not really universal.

And this is why you will never reach a decent audience for that program

Re: Is this radical redesign of GIMP possible now?

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Post by 7speter »

pmontra wrote: post #86

The search tool for GIMP is Google. How do I draw a rectangle? Google brings you to https://docs.gimp.org/2.10/en/gimp-using-rectangular.html which starts with "GIMP is not designed to be used for drawing." and then goes on which "However, you may create shapes by either painting them using the technique described in Section 14.1, “Drawing a Straight Line” or by using the selection tools" At that point you realize th…

Lots of great tutorials on Youtube

Re: Is this radical redesign of GIMP possible now?

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Post by Gibbon1 »

sparkie wrote: post #48
echelon wrote: post #26

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How do you support discoverability, sleek work areas with minimal interfaces such as search, and power users at the same time? What does that look like?

Menus with lots of options, properly labelled and organized, and displaying keyboard shortcuts next to them, like pretty much any software written in the 90s. Tooltips when you hover over things. Actual documentation built into the software rather than tucked away in a man page or only found in a forum you discovered by searching for your problem. I don't think it's power users these designers are trying to cater for…

Old school autocad back when I had access you could configure menu's yourself. I see no reason that you couldn't do that with a modern application.

One thing I did with GUI I wrote for a customer was added a notes item to the right click menu on every control. Click it an editable text box shows up. With an option to mail me the notes data so I could incorporate it in the next release.

Re: Is this radical redesign of GIMP possible now?

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Post by Gualdrapo »

pmontra wrote: post #86

The search tool for GIMP is Google. How do I draw a rectangle? Google brings you to https://docs.gimp.org/2.10/en/gimp-using-rectangular.html which starts with "GIMP is not designed to be used for drawing." and then goes on which "However, you may create shapes by either painting them using the technique described in Section 14.1, “Drawing a Straight Line” or by using the selection tools" At that point you realize th…

> GIMP is not designed to be used for drawing

And yet they include a brush tool and a pencil tool - as far as I can recall, the brush tool responds to tablet pressure levels.

But _not even their own devs_ can't explain logically why a rectangle or a circle drawing tool is a no-no. And go forbid if you criticize that fact in front of them.

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