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Re: Nicotine (2016)

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Post by reactordev »

mpreda wrote: post #41

I'm a non smoker, I never smoked. Once I decided to try a nicotine chewing gum, took one pillow and chewed it thoroughly. After about 5-10minutes I suffered some very very severe effects, including: I started sweating extremelly such that all my clothes become wet quickly and sweat was dripping down my nose, ears, and into my eyes. I felt an intense and urgent need to urinate and defecate, which luckily I could do on…

Welcome to nicotine poisoning. You are only supposed to chew until you get flavor, then suck on it like you would spitting tobacco except not spitting. When you get a craving, you chew a few more times. The symptoms you describe are classic nicotine poisoning symptoms. Sweats, expulsions of fluids, rapid heart rate, disorientation.

Re: Nicotine (2016)

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Post by financltravsty »

dijit wrote: post #32

After being on IRC for the best part of two decades (and the fringe groups who frequent the medium) I have seen the word “nootropics” banded about. The first time, I thought it was a fun idea but nothing I wanted, see; my brain is all I have so I dont much fancy experimenting with it- this is also why I avoided alcohol and coffee despite social pressures. The community that formed went away as quickly as it had been…

I would say that's a sampling bias, considering the type of people that frequent IRC. Numerous more students everywhere buy some piracetam or related due to a TikTok video, and never suffer any consequence.

I would also mention that nicotine itself has a marginally lower addictive rating if we go by ΔFosB expression. Having been someone that got hooked on cigarettes (and quit), the same habits never formed for nicotine, and the inclination was never there. And it is trivial to quit nicotine (compared to caffeine, even more so for cigarettes).

Though, I do agree in essence with your post. It is hubris to play around with this sort of thing. And there is never a free lunch (unless we're speaking strictly of micronutrients and pseudomicronutrients/vitamins).

Re: Nicotine (2016)

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Post by mpreda »

mpreda wrote: post #41

I'm a non smoker, I never smoked. Once I decided to try a nicotine chewing gum, took one pillow and chewed it thoroughly. After about 5-10minutes I suffered some very very severe effects, including: I started sweating extremelly such that all my clothes become wet quickly and sweat was dripping down my nose, ears, and into my eyes. I felt an intense and urgent need to urinate and defecate, which luckily I could do on…

And the funny follow-up: after this one-time rather completly unpleasant experience, I developed an intense smell sensibility to nicotine that lasted about one month: I could feel/smell the presence of small amounts of nicotine and have a very somatic "sick" reaction to it. I guess my body learned quickly to alert me of the "poison". Luckily, this reaction dissapeared and everything reverted to normal after about one month.

Re: Nicotine (2016)

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Post by thebigspacefuck »

reactordev wrote: post #54

>”…and is addictive to some degree” I stopped reading after this part. I’m sorry, but passing off decades of research as “to some degree” when it’s been found to be as addictive as heroin. [0] So it’s completely asinine to say “to some degree”. By all means, go chew some nicotine gum, you’ll be wanting more in an hour. Next thing you know you’re eating a pack a day, for 30 years, until your arteries hardened and you…

You really should have kept reading because this is addressed

Re: Nicotine (2016)

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Post by insanitybit »

reactordev wrote: post #58
insanitybit wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have zero interest in cigarettes though. So like, let's say I started chewing a gum and then I became addicted to the gum. I'm assuming the downside here would be primarily withdrawal effects of not chewing the gum? It's not like it's going to be a gateway to cigarettes for me. You'll experience caffeine withdrawal too, so I'm not sure that's really a problem. From the article, > There is little evidence from the N…

The withdrawal effects are more like kicking a heroin addiction.

That doesn't sound true.

Re: Nicotine (2016)

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Post by sfeng »

reactordev wrote: post #54

>”…and is addictive to some degree” I stopped reading after this part. I’m sorry, but passing off decades of research as “to some degree” when it’s been found to be as addictive as heroin. [0] So it’s completely asinine to say “to some degree”. By all means, go chew some nicotine gum, you’ll be wanting more in an hour. Next thing you know you’re eating a pack a day, for 30 years, until your arteries hardened and you…

It would probably be useful to actually read before you comment. He meticulously cites the sources of his claims with actual studies.

Re: Nicotine (2016)

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Post by jdorfman »

I was always fascinated by cigarettes and stole one when I was 10 and that was where my journey of addition to nicotine began. I now vape everyday and chew 2mg of gum if I’m on a plane or some other situation.

I’ve tried to quit multiple times but I’m weak. I can go a few months but always get pulled back.

IMO there are no benefits. If you never had nicotine and this link made you curious don’t. You will most likely become a life long user to one of the most addictive chemicals known to man.

Re: Nicotine (2016)

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Post by [deleted] »

mort96 wrote: post #47
goodluckchuck wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Addiction is complex. Folks are generally addicted to a combination of things. For example they’ll do a particular drug, sit in a particular environment, with or without a social element, with or without food. Utilizing one of the elements without the others helps break the association. Its the same thing on a smaller level.

You're completely right! Addiction is complex! And nicotine is addictive.

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Re: Nicotine (2016)

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Post by [deleted] »

thecodedmessage wrote: post #49
mort96 wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicotine > Nicotine is highly addictive. https://nida.nih.gov/publications/research-reports/tobacco-n... > Is nicotine addictive? Yes. --- If nicotine wasn't addictive, why would people find that nicotine patches or nicotine gum helps with withdrawals from various tobacco products?

These sources do not address the claims made in the article.

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Re: Nicotine (2016)

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Post by dan_man »

Quoting one of the reply [0] from the linked thread in the OP:

Nicotine is considered one of the most (if not THE most) physically and psychologically addictive substances in the entire world. Prior to introducing nicotine into your body, there is no compulsion for your body want/need it. However, as SOON as you introduce it for the first time, it gives birth to a "little monster" of need within you. This monster will remain within you until the day you die. Sure, eventually you can starve this "little monster" down into a tiny little husk, so that it no longer has any effect on you, but there's always going to be that slight twinge... That slight trickle in the back of your mind that something's missing. I feel that once you go down the road of nicotine you'll forever regret it.

However, if you have been a smoker I guess it's alright to try but,

Another interesting thing I found in the same thread is the Moderator's note [1]:

The study below demonstrates that nicotine, regardless of administration method causes Smoker's Melanosis, and it is likely that by extension, whether specifically demonstrated or not, this action will accelerate the visible signs of skin aging by a similar uneven discoloration and an increase in the number of moles which smokers and their families get.

The long-term effect of nicotine on the oral mucosa [2].

So, it's still not safe completely. I have been a smoker and I quit long ago but after reading the article I'd still stick with the good ol' coffee!

0: https://www.longecity.org/forum/topic/23915-nicotine-patch-f...

1: https://www.longecity.org/forum/topic/23915-nicotine-patch-f...

2: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10605870

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