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Re: You Win or You Learn

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Post by stevenicr »

inemesitaffia wrote: post #180
wly_cdgr wrote: post #178

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They don't seem to have tried the one thing that might have worked for them, namely, embracing the fact that they're first and foremost a porn site. Instead, they decided to be actively hostile to this reality, with predictable results.

Different owner

yes, and even though the newish owner has not banned all things naughty that would get flagged at fbk or similar, they still have banned and removed profiles that had erotic content.

It's fine to do what they want, but it's become a slightly naughtier pg-13 - I guess nc-17. So those who want naughtier are going elsewhere, and no one knows for sure what is okay and what could be okay today and get your account removed tomorrow - so why put any content into it?

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Post by photomatt »

jchw wrote: post #190
evanelias wrote: post #114

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> Tumblr's success was that it was an adult space that wasn't strictly pornography. This is a common talking point here, but it just isn't historically accurate in terms of absolute numbers. Tumblr was most successful in 2011-2012. It started getting huge in 2010 in large part due to having built-in photo and video support, at a time when Twitter didn't have these, and Instagram and Pinterest were still both tiny. Tu…

Seems like a reasonable take but I do have one comment: > Adult content was definitely present, but it was a single-digit percentage of posts at the time of Tumblr's peak historical traffic levels. Single-digit percentage is a lot for adult content. I have to imagine that's a larger share of percentage than Twitter has ever had for adult content.

There's different ways to count it, but I'd estimate it was maybe a low % of posts but it was 30-40% of the user interest and traffic.

Re: You Win or You Learn

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Post by n8cpdx »

evanelias wrote: post #170
n8cpdx wrote: post #161

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> Last month, Tumblr said its iOS app was pulled from the Apple Store over child pornography found on the platform. According to a Twitter user who claimed to have found the illegal content, Tumblr had initially failed to take down the images, despite repeated complaints about the problem. (As of Monday, the Tumblr app is still unavailable on Apple's App Store.) I think you can also look at the various discussions of…

You're making a ton of incorrect assumptions about what approaches Tumblr tried, what solutions Apple rejected as insufficient, what resourcing decisions were made by Tumblr vs parent company, and so many other critical details here. It's pretty messed up for you to say "Tumblr just didn’t want to put the effort" when you have no idea who or what was actually responsible for any of the things you're describing. I don…

I think I see the disconnect here.

You’re saying that from the perspective of the Tumblr people, having been purchased by Yahoo/Verizon, there were limited options. And maybe negotiations with Apple came into play once the CSAM problem was already so bad the app was delisted.

What I’m saying is that from the consumer perspective, it doesn’t really matter who in the company made the choice (Tumblr people or Verizon people), a business choice was made to remove a significant part of the users and use case for the platform.

Similarly by the time Apple banned the app for CSAM, maybe it truly was too late to keep NSFW content on the platform for Apple users, and maybe it was seen by ownership as too expensive to implement a partial solution. Regardless of ownership, failing to invest in effective moderation and flagging tools at every point in Tumblr’s journey was a business choice.

Maybe it was too expensive to keep CSAM off the platform. I don’t see evidence that Tumblr made those investments. An easy reporting option for users is the bare minimum. Maybe Tumblr would have bankrupted themselves policing that content - but choosing to not go down that road is still a business decision and still not something that can realistically be pinned on Apple.

In other words there are two versions of the story:

- Excuse: we had to take down NSFW content platform wide because Apple hates adult content

- Explanation: we didn’t have the resources to police an NSFW platform effectively, so we made a business decision to drop that segment of our business

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Post by armchairhacker »

phpisthebest wrote: post #198
armchairhacker wrote: post #139

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The problem with social media is that it has to get a large userbase, and it's much, much harder to convince someone to pay than it is to use your free service. Especially if your service is social media. Twitter seems to be trying to get people to pay, and it isn't going well for them. No, in today's world in order to make a "profitable" social media, you have to get people to pay through other means. Like news.ycom…

>>and it isn't going well for them. I would love to see your source for that? To my understanding since twitter is private now no one has any idea what their costs structure or revenue is currently and are taking huge assumptions that they have issues because of events like them not paying rent etc. But some of that is common tactics to force people to negotiate. I am not saying they are doing well, but currently I h…

> The company formerly known as Twitter handed out stock grants to its employees in paperwork that valued it at about $19 billion

https://www.reuters.com/breakingviews/xs-rock-bottom-leaves-...

Perhaps (probably) Twitter was overvalued, perhaps they're lying, but there's no evidence suggesting that Twitter is doing better than it was before and a lot of evidence suggesting otherwise.

That being said, I do think Elon's other bad decisions and press have caused the greater share of loss, and maybe charging users is getting some of that back. And one of Elon's goals, having people pay for content creators and services, isn't necessarily a bad idea; it's just that right now most people go out of their way not to.

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Post by ytoawwhra92 »

ukuina wrote: post #172
ytoawwhra92 wrote: post #120

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> Contrary to popular belief, TLS is not beneficial for sites where you aren't sharing secret data. I wish this meme would die. Integrity is still important for non-secret data. Confidentiality is important for data which may be considered secret in some contexts but not others.

What are the negative effects of questionable integrity of Reddit textual content?

Injecting malicious scripts, malicious links, spam, advertising, misinformation, or other harmful content such that it appears to the user to have been served from a trusted domain.

Re: You Win or You Learn

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Post by gen220 »

travisjungroth wrote: post #208
Alex3917 wrote: post #138

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No idea. I’ve never worked at any of these companies, I just learned this in an academic conference presentation on ethnographic research into OnlyFans users. OnlyFans doesn’t have its on recommendation system, so users need to find their customers on instagram, Twitter, tumblr, etc.

> OnlyFans doesn’t have its on recommendation system This is by far the most mind-blowing thing about OnlyFans to me. I’m a very open minded person and I would have been so sure that a site like OnlyFans would absolutely require discovery. Like, so sure that if I was making it, I wouldn’t even question including it. The fact they just offloaded this to every other site, and then took all the monetization is amazing t…

They also centralize all the risk. Operating a “pay me $X/month” service is really complicated legally, ethically, etc.

In a way, OF is valuable to platforms like Twitter and Instagram, because it has monopolized a lot of the riskiest cash flow that those companies would prefer to avoid / explicitly disallow in their ToS for a “subscribe to this influencer” service.

If OF had their own discovery platform, they’d have to deal with the thorny editorial problem of ranking. In the current setup, they can totally sidestep it. It would probably cost them more to operate discovery than it’s worth.

Re: You Win or You Learn

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Post by bitsoda »

> […] we’re going to give everyone an opportunity to have a “top three” ranked list of what other things around Automattic they would be interested in working on.

Admittedly cynical take, but please don’t let anybody mess up Pocket Casts. That app is near perfection and has been criminally underrated for far too long.

Re: You Win or You Learn

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Post by autokad »

0xDEAFBEAD wrote: post #207
autokad wrote: post #76

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I guess I feel old because tumbler feels like one of the 'newer' sites, as it came out about 2007 - when the great migration to facebook started. to me, 'early days' means 1995-2005

I miss the days of AIM and "Skype Me". Simpler, more innocent times.

our AIM away message was the equivalent to a facebook wall back then

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Post by CRConrad »

ytoawwhra92 wrote: post #216
ukuina wrote: post #172

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What are the negative effects of questionable integrity of Reddit textual content?

Injecting malicious scripts, malicious links, spam, advertising, misinformation, or other harmful content such that it appears to the user to have been served from a trusted domain.

Can't a "trusted" domain itself, i.e. one with a non-expired cert, do all that shit just as well as a "non-trusted" one? AIUI, the cert only confirms that you are who you say you are, not that you're a good guy. I mean,are you saying Facebook doesn't have a cert, or that it doesn't have spam and advertising?
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