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Apple has a memory problem and we're all paying for it

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Post by hellotomyrars »

ianai wrote: post #200
icapybara wrote: post #194

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Innovation for the sake of innovation doesn't make a whole lot of sense. A CPU on germanium? Why? The semiconductor industry thought about it decided silicon was a better material platform 50 years ago.

“The semiconductor industry thought about it decided silicon was a better material platform 50 years ago.” Because we’re stuck at a handful of cores and around 3ghz clock on silicon.

We are? I must not know how to count because those are not the numbers I have. What year is it where you are?

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Post by coldtea »

CoolGuySteve wrote: post #210
coldtea wrote: post #99

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Well, on the other hand, they got AS great performance, amazing battery life, tremendous snapiness, no noise, and so on, first - which you didn't get for a while on the Windows laptop world, even for comparable priced machines, even if they had double the RAM. Not even getting into the trackpad, build quality and materials over cheapo plastic, and so on. For personal and work purposes I use both Apple and Windows lap…

The difference is that you got an Intel CPU instead of an AMD one that's built on a smaller node and has a far more efficient GPU.

Those AMD CPUs are still not as efficient in those aspects in PC laptops

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Post by LocalH »

sneed_chucker wrote: post #263
al_borland wrote: post #62

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If Chrome is the only reason someone feels they need more RAM, maybe what they really need is a new browser. A web browser should never even enter the conversation when talking about hitting hardware limitations.

Once upon a time that was a reasonable position to hold. But nowadays full dynamic applications are shipped in a browser tab, and a huge number of "desktop" applications are written in JavaScript using electron, so they're essentially an isolated chrome instance for running that app. People talk about chrome being a resource hog, and maybe it is, but if you have dozens of JavaScript applications running in different…

Putting applications in the browser was a huge mistake that we're still paying for today.

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Post by jatins »

matsemann wrote: post #364
jatins wrote: post #218

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How does it feel to be rich? :)

What's your point?

Not much of a point, just friendly banter. I understand it's a bit off topic for HN so hope you didn't mind

Edit: though if I must make a point it was just that it's relatively uncommon to have fully speced out machines as a student

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Post by dahart »

rewmie wrote: post #338
dahart wrote: post #245

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Good luck! People have been trying to shame Apple for their premium pricing since the day they started selling computers, and it has never done a thing to change their strategy nor sales. I think the issue is that a lot of tech people don’t fully understand what Apple is selling, what value is there, and why it appeals to so many consumers, despite whatever reasons we think we have. Nobody needs to prove you wrong, b…

> (...) for their premium pricing (...) That's a creative euphemism for price gouging.

Your framing is not accurate. Apple is capitalist, using the free market, and profiteering, sure, but price gouging is “distinguished by being short-term and localized and by being restricted to essentials such as food, clothing, shelter, medicine, and equipment needed to preserve life and property.” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Price_gouging

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Post by loky4i4 »

Osiris wrote: post #11

When I started my current job they gave me an M1 Mac with 8GB because it’s what they had on hand. I could barely run my IDE and a web browser. At least 1GB was for video memory, and it was swapping constantly. I couldn’t run docker containers because of how much input lag I would get. 8GB is barely usable and shouldn’t even be an option for a Pro machine. I used it for a week before switching to a personal desktop wi…

Idk what you've done with that laptop but my m1 8gb is running fine with IDE, multiple chrome tabs and docker

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Post by Our_Benefactors »

goosedragons wrote: post #367
Our_Benefactors wrote: post #325

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Nobody considers the final-gen intel MBPs with touchbar and stupid-ass keyboard to be reliable. M-series machines however, I have not heard of any issues with those aside from flaky MagSafe connectors.

Haven't heard the reports of spontaneous screen cracking? [0] [0] https://www.makeuseof.com/m1-macbook-screens-cracking/

Nope, first I’ve heard of it. Nor do I believe the person “it was just sitting there, it cracked just by looking at it funny!” Uh huh. Sure buddy.

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Post by lucasyvas »

> Are the new M3 Macs great computers? Sure.

I don't want to be overly negative on what is intended by this concluding line, but it's part of the problem.

It should re-state the point that has been driven home - the entry level MacBook Pro is a bad product for its audience. Just leave it at that - it doesn't say the whole line suffers the same fate, but it's OK to say it's a bad offering without making excuses for them.

It does mention the issue again after, but don't say they're unilaterally great on the whole if they're not - it gives them justification to dismiss the issue if they are still "great".

The entry level MacBook Pro is not a device you could recommend to the majority of professionals. We all know it. You should either get the Air, or a MacBook Pro with 16GB+.

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Post by pas »

lucasyvas wrote: post #378

> Are the new M3 Macs great computers? Sure. I don't want to be overly negative on what is intended by this concluding line, but it's part of the problem. It should re-state the point that has been driven home - the entry level MacBook Pro is a bad product for its audience. Just leave it at that - it doesn't say the whole line suffers the same fate, but it's OK to say it's a bad offering without making excuses for th…

it's perfect for sitting in meetings and vscode remote work, and/or very professionally SSHing here and there ...

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Post by pentae »

isleyaardvark wrote: post #369
pentae wrote: post #350

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We can talk about what "Pro" doesn't mean - a compromised, crippled machine that has to use swap memory from day 1. https://youtu.be/hmWPd7uEYEY So watch that and tell me again why you think the difference ‘isn’t measurable’. Tell me after watching that video you think the 8gb machine which is performing up to 5x worse than the 16gb model is "Pro" Imagine the reverse - if Apple had a new cpu that performed 5x better…

Like others here I am a dev, I'm fine with 8Gb. I skimmed through the video and the measurable slowdown was in image intensive apps like Lightroom and Blender. Why exactly should I be subsidizing those users?

This is the problem with skipping through things like this - you missed the part about real world chrome performance. It’s okay to be happy with 8gb, but it doesn’t mean you are right. Ignorance may be bliss but try not to spread it
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