.NET 8 Standalone 50% Smaller On Linux

Post by supertron » Sat, Nov 11, 2023, 1:27 PM UTC

torginus wrote: post #98

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I agree that many of MS’s “open source” libraries (eg EF, OData) are half-assed, badly run projects. I’m also still mad at them for competing against amazing stuff like ServiceStack (a real OSS project from the community, and the best way to run REST APIs I’ve ever seen) with “official” but worse stuff like ASP.NET Web API. They do this a lot, some OSS gets popular but instead of embracing it, they make a half-assed…

I think .NET-s unique strength comes from its batteries-included approach, very useful in enterprise environments where every piece of software needs to be audited. That means Microsoft strives to provide a first-party library for every business case. That said, you can still use ServiceStack and Newtonsoft.JSON if you wish to.

Post by pjmlp » Sat, Nov 11, 2023, 1:48 PM UTC

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ngen had a lot of problems though. It was very easy to accidentally invalidate it. There was no easy reliable way to "ship" an ngen output. There was no easy way to even check if its even loading. your best option was to run ngen on the target machine, which is fine for services as a deployment step. But it's not like you could build and publish an AOT .NET cli for example.

I think not shipping ngen output was desired. There was an NGen Optimization Service that would reoptimize code when net framework was updated and possibly with new profiling data.

Post by sshine » Sat, Nov 11, 2023, 2:09 PM UTC

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I was helping some friends with F# homework, and being a Rust programmer, I had to ask: your project file is XML, and the order you list the project files matter, and it won’t tell you that you listed them wrong? Compile errors are super long lines and don’t show an excerpt of the code with underline under what went wrong with suggestions on how to fix it? I know I’m asking a lot here, but that level is available wit…

You do have some tooling support for ordering files in VS and VSCode using Ionide. It is also not always the case that there is a right way to order the files and checking all permutations would get expensive fast. Basically, in F# that is part of the design process and helps you a lot later since you can just read the code in a linear way the same way the compiler does and not miss anything. You do get the same info…

Post by sshine » Sat, Nov 11, 2023, 2:22 PM UTC

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I was helping some friends with F# homework, and being a Rust programmer, I had to ask: your project file is XML, and the order you list the project files matter, and it won’t tell you that you listed them wrong? Compile errors are super long lines and don’t show an excerpt of the code with underline under what went wrong with suggestions on how to fix it? I know I’m asking a lot here, but that level is available wit…

You are touching upon some of the reasons why C# is unproductive for us. Because aside from when its "included batteries" decide to in-fight, there is also the parts where the "magic" breaks. This is more anecdotal, however, since it's going to depend a lot on who you and your team are. The guy I was discussing with made a point about C# being very easy to on-board new developers in, which is probably true for them.…

Post by neonsunset » Sat, Nov 11, 2023, 2:47 PM UTC

lenkite wrote: post #104

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What does Go offer that C# does not? Both have actors, channels, threads, etc.

Do C# channels offer lightweight concurrency ? The defining feature of Go is only matched by Erlang/Elixir and now Java. AFAIK C# has nothing like it.

    // The tasks will run in parallel
    var data = service.GetData(id);
    var user = service.GetUser(name);

    Handle(await data, await user);