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.NET 8 Standalone 50% Smaller On Linux

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Re: .NET 8 Standalone 50% Smaller On Linux

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Post by AdrianB1 »

andrewstuart wrote: post #12

Who is using .NET on Linux? I'm interested to hear success stories. Sounds like a a great way to build and deploy applications.

My department is only .NET due to dependencies to specific third-party manufacturing software that is .NET and we use their SDK for a lot of stuff. 95% of our apps run on Windows, 5% on Linux. The Linux part exists only because management heard about it and mandated to try it, not because it makes any sense - the third party software runs only on Windows, so even creating 2 dedicated servers with Linux (out of several dozens with Windows) in every plant is just a major pain in the back and a complication that does not pay out.

But if you don't have dependencies and limitations to Windows and you can go full swing with Linux, it's a matter of overall cost and productivity, use what is best for you.

Re: .NET 8 Standalone 50% Smaller On Linux

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Post by throwaway2990 »

pharmakom wrote: post #50
devjab wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We’re switching into Powershell for operations. With azure automation. We’re switching to Go for concurrency. C and C++ for computation (though to be fair, we were already doing this with C# and the integration between them has always been great). Our generalist language has become TypeScript however. Not because it’s great technically, but because it lets us share resources better which in term has made us much more…

What does Go offer that C# does not? Both have actors, channels, threads, etc.

> What does Go offer that C# does not?

Nothing. This often happens when people don’t know .net to begin with. Better they go to go than complain about non existent issues in. .net.

Re: .NET 8 Standalone 50% Smaller On Linux

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Post by throwaway2990 »

konaraddi wrote: post #20
andrewstuart wrote: post #12

Who is using .NET on Linux? I'm interested to hear success stories. Sounds like a a great way to build and deploy applications.

It's common to run .NET apps in linux containers in production.

It's common to run .NET apps on linux in production.

Fixed.

Re: .NET 8 Standalone 50% Smaller On Linux

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Post by bob1029 »

andrewstuart wrote: post #12

Who is using .NET on Linux? I'm interested to hear success stories. Sounds like a a great way to build and deploy applications.

We were looking at that, but we found Azure Functions to be an even better overall experience.

Today, we develop w/ VS2022 on Windows, push to GitHub, and the GH actions take it to function deployments from there. Then, we monitor for any exceptions using app insights search from visual studio. The developer experience is flawless. I don't even have to touch the azure web UI to do the happy path. Finding exceptions using the native VS tooling is much easier.

All the pieces fit together really well now - managed identity alone saving us probably a FTE role in our org chart.

Re: .NET 8 Standalone 50% Smaller On Linux

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Post by solarkraft »

supertron wrote: post #60
andrewstuart wrote: post #12

Who is using .NET on Linux? I'm interested to hear success stories. Sounds like a a great way to build and deploy applications.

I am. I've been developing with .NET since the start and my current workflow is really the smoothest and most productive (and most enjoyable!) I've ever had: I develop solely on Mac (JetBrains Rider), compiling/debugging Mac binaries locally - no containers - unless I need any external dependencies like eg. Postgres. On M1 MacBook Pro the experience is blazing fast - and Rider can be pretty heavy but Apple Silicon ea…

> Rider can be pretty heavy but Apple Silicon eats it up. (And to be fair to Rider, it was still pretty good even on Intel machines).

Rider (like all JetBrains IDEs) gobbles RAM and sometimes needs its time to think.

But what makes it so, so much better than Visual Studio (besides a minimum of effort spent on usable design) is that it doesn't randomly completely lock up the UI for several (sometimes tens) of seconds.

Unlike Microsoft apparently, they know not to do their heavy computation on the UI thread.

Re: .NET 8 Standalone 50% Smaller On Linux

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Post by solarkraft »

What the .NET team does on the technical side is almost universally wonderful. They've (ironically?) been a bit more successful than the Java folks at establishing multiple serious languages of different kinds running on and interoperating via the same runtime.

But it's still a Microsoft project and their sword keeps looming over its head. There have been some heavy-handed anti-developer choices in the past and one can safely assume that that has been their EEE-genes kicking in and it will probably not get better, but worse, the more they build up a community they feel they have (or should have) control over.

Wouldn't want to dive into that pool.

.NET is only as good as the parts Microsoft doesn't have too much control over and that doesn't even include the VSCode extension (or VSCode itself - Use VSCodium and you'll see).

Re: .NET 8 Standalone 50% Smaller On Linux

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Post by biglyburrito »

supertron wrote: post #60
andrewstuart wrote: post #12

Who is using .NET on Linux? I'm interested to hear success stories. Sounds like a a great way to build and deploy applications.

I am. I've been developing with .NET since the start and my current workflow is really the smoothest and most productive (and most enjoyable!) I've ever had: I develop solely on Mac (JetBrains Rider), compiling/debugging Mac binaries locally - no containers - unless I need any external dependencies like eg. Postgres. On M1 MacBook Pro the experience is blazing fast - and Rider can be pretty heavy but Apple Silicon ea…

My first experience developing for .NET on a non-Windows OS had me running Visual Studio & SQL Server Management Studio in a Parallels virtual machine (VM) running on a Macbook Air with only 8GB RAM, targeting .NET Framework. My most recent non-Windows experience had me running JetBrains Rider & DataGrip natively in macOS on a (Intel, non-Apple silicon) Macbook Pro with 32GB RAM, targeting .NET 6.

The experiences were night and day: while my first experience was serviceable, my most recent experience was great & comparable to the work I'm currently doing in Visual Studio 2022 & SQL Server Management Studio 2019 in Windows 10 on a Lenovo Thinkpad w/ 32GB RAM, targeting .NET 7. And the macOS laptop + multi-monitor experience on a Macbook Pro is so nice that I absolutely prefer coding on Macs now instead of Windows.

Re: .NET 8 Standalone 50% Smaller On Linux

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Post by biglyburrito »

solarkraft wrote: post #85
supertron wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am. I've been developing with .NET since the start and my current workflow is really the smoothest and most productive (and most enjoyable!) I've ever had: I develop solely on Mac (JetBrains Rider), compiling/debugging Mac binaries locally - no containers - unless I need any external dependencies like eg. Postgres. On M1 MacBook Pro the experience is blazing fast - and Rider can be pretty heavy but Apple Silicon ea…

> Rider can be pretty heavy but Apple Silicon eats it up. (And to be fair to Rider, it was still pretty good even on Intel machines). Rider (like all JetBrains IDEs) gobbles RAM and sometimes needs its time to think. But what makes it so, so much better than Visual Studio (besides a minimum of effort spent on usable design) is that it doesn't randomly completely lock up the UI for several (sometimes tens) of seconds.…

The startup time of JetBrains Rider is so nice & quick. Going back to using Visual Studio 2022 after two years on the latest Rider version felt sluggish in a bunch of ways.

Re: .NET 8 Standalone 50% Smaller On Linux

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Post by GordonS »

andrewstuart wrote: post #12

Who is using .NET on Linux? I'm interested to hear success stories. Sounds like a a great way to build and deploy applications.

I am, for a range of applications including web APIs and background workers.

I've always favoured Linux for server apps (I used to deploy dotnet apps to Linux with Mono), but I also think Azure (and cloud in general) has, in a roundabout way, introduced a lot of .NET developers to Linux.

There's little reason not to deploy to Linux instead of Windows - it's cheaper and just a much better experience to work with for deployment and operations.

Re: .NET 8 Standalone 50% Smaller On Linux

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Post by JackMorgan »

andrewstuart wrote: post #12

Who is using .NET on Linux? I'm interested to hear success stories. Sounds like a a great way to build and deploy applications.

I maintain three different projects for three business in .NET Core using Linux Docker containers and it's been very smooth.

The ability to have both C# and F# along with a ton of perfectly serviceable libraries is great.

I'm using ASP.NET Core for the web stack, swashbuckle to auto generate swagger docs, EF for auto generated database models. It's pretty great actually. Adding a new field is as easy as making a migration file, changing the API message, and adding one line to map the database model field to the message field. Everything just moves smoothly.

The resulting web servers just work. I've had effectively no issues with them at all. The only issues I've had were the result of Portainer not correctly shutting down a container, which really isn't related to .NET at all.

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