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.NET 8 Standalone 50% Smaller On Linux

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Re: .NET 8 Standalone 50% Smaller On Linux

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Post by devjab »

andrewstuart wrote: post #12

Who is using .NET on Linux? I'm interested to hear success stories. Sounds like a a great way to build and deploy applications.

We do, in the few things we haven’t yet migrated away from C#. I’m curious as to why you wouldn’t, it’s much cheaper than deploying on windows since you’ll likely need a license for that.

We use it for a range of things. Mostly related to the legacy software of when our developers were mostly C# developers. Which isn’t how things are now, as C# has often stood in the way of our ability to deliver business value at a rapid pace while keeping maintainable systems. Not so much the languages fault as how Microsoft manages a lot of the libraries. Like how the model builder for EF and OData (both official Microsoft libraries) don’t work together and how you need to extend basically any standard library to do any real work with them. So while it’s actually a decent language, if a bit verbose, and .NET is sort of solid these days, we honestly have very few success stories with it.

Some of our AD (now Entra ID I guess) integration operates on it while we slowly migrate it to Powershell (which is .Net but runs in Azure Automation). Some of our APIs run with it. We have a few azure function apps (in containers and isolated) which are being migrated to other techs, and non-function apps. So it’s not like it’s not “working” for us, it’s just that it works a lot less great than its alternatives, even despite a it’s huge leap forward in recent years. Honestly it feels like Microsoft mostly keeps C# around because it sells licenses to medium sized stagnating companies, considering how “half-finished” a lot of the libraries are and how poorly so many of them function together.

Re: .NET 8 Standalone 50% Smaller On Linux

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Post by genuine_smiles »

devjab wrote: post #14
andrewstuart wrote: post #12

Who is using .NET on Linux? I'm interested to hear success stories. Sounds like a a great way to build and deploy applications.

We do, in the few things we haven’t yet migrated away from C#. I’m curious as to why you wouldn’t, it’s much cheaper than deploying on windows since you’ll likely need a license for that. We use it for a range of things. Mostly related to the legacy software of when our developers were mostly C# developers. Which isn’t how things are now, as C# has often stood in the way of our ability to deliver business value at a…

What are you using instead?

Re: .NET 8 Standalone 50% Smaller On Linux

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Post by all2 »

devjab wrote: post #14
andrewstuart wrote: post #12

Who is using .NET on Linux? I'm interested to hear success stories. Sounds like a a great way to build and deploy applications.

We do, in the few things we haven’t yet migrated away from C#. I’m curious as to why you wouldn’t, it’s much cheaper than deploying on windows since you’ll likely need a license for that. We use it for a range of things. Mostly related to the legacy software of when our developers were mostly C# developers. Which isn’t how things are now, as C# has often stood in the way of our ability to deliver business value at a…

What language and frameworks has your business shifted into? How has that better fit the goals of speed of development and maintainability?

Re: .NET 8 Standalone 50% Smaller On Linux

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Post by skrebbel »

andrewstuart wrote: post #12

Who is using .NET on Linux? I'm interested to hear success stories. Sounds like a a great way to build and deploy applications.

I once was CTO of a now defunct startup and we ran a C# backend against a postgres db inside Docker containers on Linux.

This was before MS was on board with Linux and all, but Mono was already super good tech. It wasn’t as fast as real .NET but it was still way faster than eg Python or Ruby, the popular backend languages of the day. There was even a half decent cross platform IDE (MonoDevelop), most of the dev team wasn’t on Windows.

I guess this is not very actionable knowledge anymore but I assume that if C# on Linux was productive and fast in 2013 it won’t have gotten any worse today.

Somehow linux/mac people seem to avoid .NET out of sheer cultural avoidance, and Windows people seem to avoid most of the OSS ecosystem like the plague for awkward “i was at a .net conf and all the talks were about MS tech” reasons but actually the two combine really well. C# is a great language with unparalleled tooling. It’s easy to learn for people with nearly any background. It’s fast, it’s easy to refactor, it’s easy to debug and it runs everywhere. For over a decade now.

My current company runs Elixir because we’re a chat API and the BEAM’s parallelism/robustness story is uniquely suited to our product. If we’d be in a different domain I’d choose C# (on linux, with postgres) again in a heartbeat.

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