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Don't build AI products the way everyone else is doing it

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Re: Don't build AI products the way everyone else is doing it

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Post by j45 »

personjerry wrote: post #30
bob1029 wrote: post #3

> The solution: create your own toolchain No thanks. I have an actual job & customer needs to tend to. I am about 80% of the way through integrating with the OAI assistant API. The real secret is to already have a viable business that AI can subsequently improve . Making AI the business is a joke of a model to me. You'd have an easier time pitching javascript frameworks in our shop. Our current application of AI is a…

So the secret to building a viable AI business... is to build a viable business, with AI?

Sometimes I see a request to create an AI product, when normal code works fine and it's already solved... except they might not be aware.

Re: Don't build AI products the way everyone else is doing it

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Post by DonHopkins »

LtWorf wrote: post #70
chasd00 wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

the secret is to already have a viable business and constantly sprinkle in the latest tech. trends to maintain the illusion of being something fresh and new.

That's why our bakery uses AI generated blockchains :D

My coffeeshop uses Dall-E to render flattering caricatures of customers in ground chocolate and cinnamon on the foamed milk. ;)

Re: Don't build AI products the way everyone else is doing it

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Post by baxtr »

nostromo wrote: post #71
bob1029 wrote: post #3

> The solution: create your own toolchain No thanks. I have an actual job & customer needs to tend to. I am about 80% of the way through integrating with the OAI assistant API. The real secret is to already have a viable business that AI can subsequently improve . Making AI the business is a joke of a model to me. You'd have an easier time pitching javascript frameworks in our shop. Our current application of AI is a…

Just be prepared for OpenAI to pull the rug out from under you at some point... and probably sooner than you realize. This is always the approach in our industry. During the land rush, you offer very affordable, very favorable terms for people building on your stack. When they've wiped out most of the competition and have massive marketshare -- they shift from land-rush mode to rent-seeking mode, and your business is…

Who cares if you don’t have any paying customers?

Re: Don't build AI products the way everyone else is doing it

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Post by aftoprokrustes »

> That car driving itself is not one big AI brain.

> Instead of a whole toolchain of specialized models, all connected with normal code — such as models for computer vision to find and identify objects, predictive decision-making, anticipating the actions of others, or natural language processing for understanding voice commands — all of these specialized models are combined with tons of just normal code and logic that creates the end result — a car that can drive itself.

Or, as I like to say it: what we now call "AI" actually refers to the "dumb" part (which does not mean easy or simple!) of the system. When we speak of an intelligent human driver, we do not mean that they are able to differentiate between a stop sign and a pigeon, or understand when their partner asks them to "please stop by the bakery on the way home" -- we mean that they know what decision to take based on this data in order to have the best trip possible. That is, we refer to the part done with "tons of normal code", as the article puts it.

Needless to say, I am not impressed by the predictions of "AI singularity" and whatever other nonsense AI evangelists try to make us believe.

Re: Don't build AI products the way everyone else is doing it

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Post by mnutt »

JSavageOne wrote: post #5

> "One way we explored approaching this was using puppeteer to automate opening websites in a web browser, taking a screenshot of the site, and traversing the HTML to find the img tags. > We then used the location of the images as the output data and the screenshot of the webpage as the input data. And now we have exactly what we need — a source image and coordinates of where all the sub-images are to train this AI m…

They have a known system that can go from specified coordinates to images in the form of puppeteer (chromium) and so they can run it on lots of websites to generate [coordinates, output image] pairs to use for training data. In general, if you have a transform and input data, you can use it to train a model to learn the reverse transform.

Re: Don't build AI products the way everyone else is doing it

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Post by visarga »

wg0 wrote: post #58
toyg wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To be fair, LLMs as a tech are actually useful, even just to take human input. Blockchain an K8s though... Eh. Geekery for geekery's sake.

I don't doubt that. I myself use it but the major problem that seems to remain unsolved for a while is that LLMs can't be blindly relied upon because they don't have any knowledge rather they mimic what knowledge might look like. I find LLMs so much useful for myself because in some areas, I have developed expertise and even with a wrong LLM output, I can manually make few tweaks to make it work. But same can't be sa…

I would generalize that as "no LLM can surpass domain experts on any task, yet"

The only superhuman AIs are very narrow, done by OpenAI - AlphaZero and AlphaFold, and they don't train on language

Re: Don't build AI products the way everyone else is doing it

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Post by DonHopkins »

toyg wrote: post #53
wg0 wrote: post #51

I've survived "What is your organization's Kubernetes strategy." And then came along "You need to integrate Blockchain in your business processes." And now is the time for "make your products smart with AI" season.

To be fair, LLMs as a tech are actually useful, even just to take human input. Blockchain an K8s though... Eh. Geekery for geekery's sake.

Bad comparison of blockchain and k8s. When you actually start doing something non-trival complexity and non-toy scale, you're actually faced with huge problems that k8s and terraform practically solve. Whereas blockchain is only a solution in search of problems that nobody actually has.
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