I think with Microsoft no longer considering your data off limits to them regardless of informed consent we've hit a decision point whether you are okay with that (knowing that their AI software has the possibility of regurgitating anything it's been trained on) or have to rip off the bandaid and abandon them completely.
Microsoft lays hands on login data: Beware of the new Outlook
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Re: Microsoft lays hands on login data: Beware of the new Outlook
#42> Although TLS-protected, the data is sent to Microsoft in plain text within the tunnel. Although encrypted, the data is unencrypted when you decrypt it! They should at least add double ROT-13... Did whoever wrote this realize you need to be able to recover the cleartext for this to even work?
The question is, why does Microsoft need your Gmail password at all to begin with? Thunderbird works perfectly fine with Gmail without sending Mozilla your password.
Because their MUA is a website now instead of a desktop application. tbird is still a desktop application.
Re: Microsoft lays hands on login data: Beware of the new Outlook
#43I think with Microsoft no longer considering your data off limits to them regardless of informed consent we've hit a decision point whether you are okay with that (knowing that their AI software has the possibility of regurgitating anything it's been trained on) or have to rip off the bandaid and abandon them completely.
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Re: Microsoft lays hands on login data: Beware of the new Outlook
#44> Although TLS-protected, the data is sent to Microsoft in plain text within the tunnel. Although encrypted, the data is unencrypted when you decrypt it! They should at least add double ROT-13... Did whoever wrote this realize you need to be able to recover the cleartext for this to even work?
It is conceivable that they wanted to express "although encrypted in transit, it is not hashed and Microsoft can recover the full password". However, you'd have to be very charitable to interpret the articale like that.
This is not a translation error either. The same mistake can be found in the German original.
> Did whoever write this realize you need to be able to recover the cleartext for this to even work?
The first author of the article has a degree in 'commercial information technology' and has worked as a sysadmin, so I assume they do understand that this is necessary, they may just have done a bad job of expressing that.
An article in a technical outlet should still do better in such regards.
Re: Microsoft lays hands on login data: Beware of the new Outlook
#45The free new Outlook replaces Mail in Windows, and later also the classic Outlook. It sends secret credentials to Microsoft servers.
Is this the same company that once created remarkable technological innovations like Windows XP, .NET Framework, Visual Studio Express, etc? I really hope it still is!
Technically speaking, George Santos created all of those, while he was employed by Microsoft.
Re: Microsoft lays hands on login data: Beware of the new Outlook
#46New Outlook on Mac is terrible - it lacks basic critical functionality such as tabular view (1 line per message) with column sorting by: From, To, Date received, Subject etc. Fortunately old Outlook is still available - I have to switch back after every update.
Outlook is terrible, period.
I've been running the O365 Outlook version at my company and they broke simple things. I want to search for an email, so I select the folder, then click search and start typing.
In the new Outlook, the moment I press the first key for my search query, the focus moves off of the search bar, for no reason whatsoever, so every. single. fucking. goddamn. time. I want to search, I select the folder, click into the search box, type 1 character, move my hand off the keyboard, over to the mouse, to re-click into the goddamn search box, then continue typing.
That's Microsoft "improving" a product.
Man, I fucking hate these people.
Re: Microsoft lays hands on login data: Beware of the new Outlook
#47https://xkcd.com/1118/
They didn't get away with bundling the browser, but practically, that went nowhere, and they still keep pushing Edge at every turn. One of my pet peeves against Microsoft is, precisely, how they bundled a mail client with their office suite, and one hostile to standards at that. A mail client that, somehow, only worked properly with other Office elements, and, at some point, it created interoperability issues if send…
In their defense, Outlook and Exchange were created to compete with Lotus Notes. As much as Office interacted poorly with open standards, it was that it interacted with them at all that made it more successful than the other commercial office software in the 90s.
Re: Microsoft lays hands on login data: Beware of the new Outlook
#48Earlier quoted context omitted.
They didn't get away with bundling the browser, but practically, that went nowhere, and they still keep pushing Edge at every turn. One of my pet peeves against Microsoft is, precisely, how they bundled a mail client with their office suite, and one hostile to standards at that. A mail client that, somehow, only worked properly with other Office elements, and, at some point, it created interoperability issues if send…
Secure Mail (tm). Only available on Windows 12 devices with Microsoft-approved software. Only €99 the first 20 months, then triples. Bundled with Microsoft Oven, Microsoft Fridge, Microsoft Wave, Microsoft Printer, Microsoft TV, Microsoft Sofa . Never worry with virus again! the bundle is not guaranteed to work with non-Microsoft Partners, such as Netflix, Steam, Android; companies need to submit for certification th…
You need to stop giving them ideas.
Re: Microsoft lays hands on login data: Beware of the new Outlook
#49Earlier quoted context omitted.
Is this the same company that once created remarkable technological innovations like Windows XP, .NET Framework, Visual Studio Express, etc? I really hope it still is!
Technically speaking, George Santos created all of those, while he was employed by Microsoft.
I heard he used to use the alias Dave Cutler and was the inspiration behind Clippy
Re: Microsoft lays hands on login data: Beware of the new Outlook
#50Is this an Outlook (app) issue or Outlook (email platform) issue?
Oh god.
They have precedent for this. Word (app), Word (Teams), Word (online office 365 thing). All slightly incompatible.