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Apple has a memory problem and we're all paying for it

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Re: Apple has a memory problem and we're all paying for it

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post #175

I'll add to the chorus of folks that is somewhat baffled that 8GB is not enough. That is a ton of memory.

Not when you compare against other devices and consider that bloat is a thing and programs and websites use more RAM now than they did to accomplish essentially the same thing.

If Apple was asking $600 that might be OK, but at $1600? How many laptops at that price point have 8GB RAM? Heck a $400 Steam Deck has 16GB.

Re: Apple has a memory problem and we're all paying for it

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post #181

I think the best reaction would be shame. Just a big round of shame for a trillion dollar company being so greedy to cripple their top equipment. Tech’s stagnated for over a decade and largely because of greed and at the expense of innovation. Prove me wrong? Do something genuinely new, like a mass produced cpu on germanium. Make a modern OS that’s a successor to unix-and plan9. Edit-Or at least a moddable iphone tha…

> Tech’s stagnated for over a decade

I don’t know where to begin with this, but on topic, the M1 came out in 2020 and was a big tech leap in how PCs are done.

Sure, all the individual technologies within existed elsewhere first. But Apple executed and delivered great products.

Re: Apple has a memory problem and we're all paying for it

#193

8GB RAM would be enough. If not companies searched and found a successor for Flash. Is is Electron! It wastes memory, it is slow, it doesn’t integrate to Linux, Windows and MacOS and it allows to deploy bloated JavaScript locally. But it is cheap for them! Basically the target of companies is avoiding to employ programmers for native applications. These people cost money. And optimization cost money. So they opt to w…

Forced “refresh to update” is the point. No supporting 2-10 years of legacy clients. And bypasses enterprise IT update restrictions.

Re: Apple has a memory problem and we're all paying for it

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post #181

I think the best reaction would be shame. Just a big round of shame for a trillion dollar company being so greedy to cripple their top equipment. Tech’s stagnated for over a decade and largely because of greed and at the expense of innovation. Prove me wrong? Do something genuinely new, like a mass produced cpu on germanium. Make a modern OS that’s a successor to unix-and plan9. Edit-Or at least a moddable iphone tha…

Innovation for the sake of innovation doesn't make a whole lot of sense. A CPU on germanium? Why? The semiconductor industry thought about it decided silicon was a better material platform 50 years ago.

Re: Apple has a memory problem and we're all paying for it

#195

8GB is still good enough for office workers and students. Heck, I used an M1 8GB Air for 1 year as a dev. Although I wish I had more RAM, it still served me well. For $899 (on sale sometimes), the 8GB M2 Air is absolutely a steal. The screen quality, thinness, battery life, build quality, SoC, quietness, coolness, metal enclosure, touchpad, and speakers are simply unmatched by anything in the PC world at that price -…

I bought a think pad just a couple years ago. I had to upgrade it to 16G. I had to upgrade the screen to actually be readable. The whole thing was deceptively priced as being on a permanent sale. I don’t get why Apple is the target here, they’re way better than other companies. 16G is starting to be standard for sure, but Apple is only a little behind the times in that regard.

Re: Apple has a memory problem and we're all paying for it

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The problem I have with 16GB as a upgrade is that the base model is widely available and often on sale. 16GB does exist as preconfigured option, but it is a lot harder to come by. It's mainly sold as BTO, which means you have to pay full price. That makes that extra 8GB of RAM ridiculously expensive. I mean it's already ridiculously expensive, but the fact that base models sell with huge discounts increases it even further. I will NEVER EVER pay for this upgrade out of sheer principle. I'd rather switch to another system.

Re: Apple has a memory problem and we're all paying for it

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post #181

I think the best reaction would be shame. Just a big round of shame for a trillion dollar company being so greedy to cripple their top equipment. Tech’s stagnated for over a decade and largely because of greed and at the expense of innovation. Prove me wrong? Do something genuinely new, like a mass produced cpu on germanium. Make a modern OS that’s a successor to unix-and plan9. Edit-Or at least a moddable iphone tha…

> Tech’s stagnated for over a decade I don’t know where to begin with this, but on topic, the M1 came out in 2020 and was a big tech leap in how PCs are done. Sure, all the individual technologies within existed elsewhere first. But Apple executed and delivered great products.

Sure. Running an OS that is carrying a lot of legacy OS X with introduced bugs and cruft. I love *nix and hope to keep using it for a long time more. But if you plunked 2002 me into modern day, apple’s offerings would be pretty cool but not what I’d expect after 2 decades.

You could buy a desktop with 4 gigs of ram in 2010.

Re: Apple has a memory problem and we're all paying for it

#198
post #169

8GB is still good enough for office workers and students. Heck, I used an M1 8GB Air for 1 year as a dev. Although I wish I had more RAM, it still served me well. For $899 (on sale sometimes), the 8GB M2 Air is absolutely a steal. The screen quality, thinness, battery life, build quality, SoC, quietness, coolness, metal enclosure, touchpad, and speakers are simply unmatched by anything in the PC world at that price -…

I think you missed the point - we're talking about computers marketed as "Pro" devices which should be able to handle "Pro" workloads. 8GB on the Airs is a completely different issue as these are not marketed as Pro devices. Consumers place a lot of faith in Apple as a brand so when they go and purchase a "Macbook Pro" they should be able to assume Apple has their back and it's actually going to do what it says on th…

This from the company found liable for deliberately slowing their stuff, for all their proprietary dongles, for getting rid of the headphone jack, etc. etc.

As much of a conversation killer calling people "sheep" can be, as someone who doesn't use their stuff, what is surprising about this?

Re: Apple has a memory problem and we're all paying for it

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If 8GB will be a bottleneck for many today, imagine the performance of that non-upgradeable laptop in a few years’ time. Apple used to sell an iMac with non-upgradable RAM: we found this iMac has the memory soldered to the motherboard removing any possibility of adding additional memory. Users will be permanently locked in to the 8GB of memory, as there is no Apple factory upgrade option. https://eshop.macsales.com/b…

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Re: Apple has a memory problem and we're all paying for it

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post #181

I think the best reaction would be shame. Just a big round of shame for a trillion dollar company being so greedy to cripple their top equipment. Tech’s stagnated for over a decade and largely because of greed and at the expense of innovation. Prove me wrong? Do something genuinely new, like a mass produced cpu on germanium. Make a modern OS that’s a successor to unix-and plan9. Edit-Or at least a moddable iphone tha…

Innovation for the sake of innovation doesn't make a whole lot of sense. A CPU on germanium? Why? The semiconductor industry thought about it decided silicon was a better material platform 50 years ago.

“The semiconductor industry thought about it decided silicon was a better material platform 50 years ago.” Because we’re stuck at a handful of cores and around 3ghz clock on silicon.
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