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Sweden's schools minister declares charter school 'system failure'

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Re: Sweden's schools minister declares charter school 'system failure'

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Very poorly worded/translated headline. "friskola" does NOT mean FREE schools.

It is actually private scrolls that are not directly controlled (fri = free as in not controlled) by the government.

They are is usually religious or otherwise connected to some methodology or believe system.

Re: Sweden's schools minister declares charter school 'system failure'

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Submitter here I didn't want to editorialize, so I used the original title. I changed "free school" to "charter school" which may make contextually more sense. I hope that's acceptable.

"Charter school" doesn't mean the same thing in different English speaking countries.

> The current system, in place since a few decades, is akin to a voucher system. I.e. the funding is ultimately via the taxpayer, but through different organizations.

As an American, this sounds like exactly like a charter school system is. Or do you mean that the word is used differently outside America in other anglophone countries? From looking up the term online, it seems like it's mainly an American term.

Re: Sweden's schools minister declares charter school 'system failure'

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I'm English and I thought of financially independent schools when I read the headline. Never attribute to malice what can be explained by your own interpretation.

They are for profit schools that receive government funding. Is that financially independent?

I don't know how my opinion of whether or not something is financially independent affects this. I didn't interpret the headline as a claim that "schools people don't have to pay for directly" are a failure.

Re: Sweden's schools minister declares charter school 'system failure'

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This is basically the neoliberal story. I can't fathom for the life of me how people committed to historical concrete analysis can continue to advocate for these schemes. They always end up in exploitation. People's commitment to ideologies seem to be stronger than any material evidence.

Then you don't live in or near school districts failing to educate their students for decades: Detroit, Baltimore, even parts of Seattle fail to graduate young people capable of reading and writing near grade level, let alone understand even algebra. Year-after-year they fail a new class.

And the solution would be to go to a tuition school, where the quality could be the same but grades higher because customer is king? No, it's not a solution, because there's no implicit causal relationship between tuition and quality - the Swedes just described their situation in the title. The real solution is to fix the failing school, whatever system it was.

Re: Sweden's schools minister declares charter school 'system failure'

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A lot of religious non-selective schools tend to get better results than non-selective secular schools. You see a few parents suddenly get religion as their child turns 9 or 10 and they realise they are unlikely to get into a grammar school.

... or decide a buy a second (or third) house conveniently located in the good school's catchment area ...

And funnily enough a lot of the people that do that "don't believe in private schools".

Re: Sweden's schools minister declares charter school 'system failure'

#56

I must admit that I do not know the specifics of the Swedish model of "friskolor", but I do know that a translation to "free schools" are so misleading that intentional deception seems to be the explanation. We have a similar concept in Denmark, but here they are called "private schools", some of them are also called "Friskole", which can be translated the same way as the headline - the meaning is however that their…

«Free» as in freedom of the traditional, Scandinavian unity model that was pretty much the only option when the term was invented. To receive this privilege, you need to associate with a religious movement or alternative teaching style.

I can speak confidently only for Norway, but the level of almost totalitarian historical social unity will be very unfamiliar to Americans.

Re: Sweden's schools minister declares charter school 'system failure'

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Wikipedia translates the Swedish friskola as charter school in English. https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friskola https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charter_school#Sweden "A charter school is a school that receives government funding but operates independently of the established state school system in which it is located. It is independent in the sense that it operates according to the basic principle of autonomy for account…

This is basically how the schooling system in the Netherlands works. Any group of people is free to found a school based on their own beliefs (religious, pedagogical, or otherwise), and such schools are quite common. The historical reason for this freedom is that Christians wanted to found religious schools, but it has since widely been used by a variety of religious and non-religious groups.

Are those schools privately or publicly funded?

Re: Sweden's schools minister declares charter school 'system failure'

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This is basically how the schooling system in the Netherlands works. Any group of people is free to found a school based on their own beliefs (religious, pedagogical, or otherwise), and such schools are quite common. The historical reason for this freedom is that Christians wanted to found religious schools, but it has since widely been used by a variety of religious and non-religious groups.

Are those schools privately or publicly funded?

They’re funded by the state.

Re: Sweden's schools minister declares charter school 'system failure'

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post #56

I must admit that I do not know the specifics of the Swedish model of "friskolor", but I do know that a translation to "free schools" are so misleading that intentional deception seems to be the explanation. We have a similar concept in Denmark, but here they are called "private schools", some of them are also called "Friskole", which can be translated the same way as the headline - the meaning is however that their…

«Free» as in freedom of the traditional, Scandinavian unity model that was pretty much the only option when the term was invented. To receive this privilege, you need to associate with a religious movement or alternative teaching style. I can speak confidently only for Norway, but the level of almost totalitarian historical social unity will be very unfamiliar to Americans.

I am aware of the history. It is however a term that does not translate neatly to english, and in the context of the "Scandinavian model" with free, as in no payment, education, healthcare, and social security - it is already a loaded term, that an editor of an English newspaper very well know, that carry a preconceived notion.

Re: Sweden's schools minister declares charter school 'system failure'

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> But in recent years, a drop in Swedish educational standards, rising inequality and growing discontent among teachers and parents has helped fuel political momentum for change.

Does this mean students on the charter schools are lacking in ability? Are there no rules for checking the results of those schools results, with independent tests? Or how exactly is this meant?

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