Sweden's schools minister declares charter school 'system failure'

Post by dontlaugh » Fri, Nov 10, 2023, 11:24 AM UTC

jjgreen wrote: post #7

gerikson wrote: post #3

Unfortunate use of Swenglish in the headline. In Swedish, "friskola" means a school separate from the normal primary/secondary school funding system, run by the kommun/council. So it can refer to a school funded by a private company, foundation, religious group etc. Primary and secondary education in Sweden is free for the pupil or their guardians, it is payed through the tax system. The current system, in place sinc…

UK English has "public schools" which are private fee-paying, so Swenglish has the edge here

Post by gadders » Fri, Nov 10, 2023, 11:25 AM UTC

sampo wrote: post #34

somewhereoutth wrote: post #25

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For clarity: Public schools - a handful of top level very expensive private schools, usually have existed for centuries, the children of the highest levels of society tend to go there, a great foundation for a career in public life. Examples include Eton, Harrow, Winchester, Marlborough. Private schools - the rest of the private schools, less expensive, but less advantageous. State schools - free, provided by the sta…

How do you get your child into one of those public shcool? Do you need money, or connections, or does the child need be talented? (The Wikipedia article didn't tell.)

Post by gadders » Fri, Nov 10, 2023, 11:29 AM UTC

lambda_garden wrote: post #40

somewhereoutth wrote: post #25

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For clarity: Public schools - a handful of top level very expensive private schools, usually have existed for centuries, the children of the highest levels of society tend to go there, a great foundation for a career in public life. Examples include Eton, Harrow, Winchester, Marlborough. Private schools - the rest of the private schools, less expensive, but less advantageous. State schools - free, provided by the sta…

A good breakdown. There are also a handful of true grammar schools left. These are free to attend, but are selective based on ability. There is debate about the extent to which raw ability is really being tested, and not preparedness for the test. There are also private schools that call themselves grammar schools. These were once free and selective, but converted to fee-paying at some point. They like the prestige o…

Post by jjgreen » Fri, Nov 10, 2023, 11:35 AM UTC

gadders wrote: post #45

lambda_garden wrote: post #40

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A good breakdown. There are also a handful of true grammar schools left. These are free to attend, but are selective based on ability. There is debate about the extent to which raw ability is really being tested, and not preparedness for the test. There are also private schools that call themselves grammar schools. These were once free and selective, but converted to fee-paying at some point. They like the prestige o…

A lot of religious non-selective schools tend to get better results than non-selective secular schools. You see a few parents suddenly get religion as their child turns 9 or 10 and they realise they are unlikely to get into a grammar school.

Post by [deleted] » Fri, Nov 10, 2023, 11:39 AM UTC

kristopolous wrote: post #16

stringsandchars wrote: post #12

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> Is it the system advocated by Milton Friedman or is it different? I think Milton Friedman's idea, was that parents would actually receive education 'vouchers' and be free to use them in whichever education context they chose for their children. This is slightly different, as the private/public system is wholly handled by the State system: parents simply choose between alternative schools, and the state channels tax…

This is basically the neoliberal story. I can't fathom for the life of me how people committed to historical concrete analysis can continue to advocate for these schemes. They always end up in exploitation. People's commitment to ideologies seem to be stronger than any material evidence.