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Re: Steve Wozniak suffers minor stroke

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Post by cracrecry »

upwardbound wrote: post #68

Woz is one of the most selfless people I've ever met. At a conference he keynoted for (SynBioBeta), he said that even if immortality were available to him, he wouldn't want to live forever, because he'd be taking up a spot in the Earth's population carrying capacity, and even if that's just one spot of many billions, he wouldn't feel right taking up that spot, when he's already lived his life and now it's time for so…

why do we have to limit ourselves to earth?

It is like people can't look away and look at billions upon billions of galaxies clusters and could only see the limits of the Earth. The Earth is finite! we can't grow exponentially forever!

Re: Steve Wozniak suffers minor stroke

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Post by [deleted] »

aag wrote: post #20
Andoryuuta wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I had a TIA(mini-stroke) a few years ago in my early 20s. From what I understand: strokes are not more dangerous with age, but are much more likely to happen as you age. I was told that the the risk factor is a matter of how quickly the stroke is identified and how quickly you are able to receive medical care after the onset. Faster response == less time for brain matter to die due lack of blood.

If someone you know is showing signs of a stroke (see https://www.cdc.gov/stroke/signs_symptoms.htm ), get them to the hospital right away. Time is of the essence. Once you're there, don't let overworked personnel ignore them. My mother recently had a stroke. She had absolutely clear, textbook symptoms. She got to the hospital by ambulance right away, but busy doctors and nurses sent her home after two days, saying t…

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Re: Steve Wozniak suffers minor stroke

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Post by Gud »

ljm wrote: post #88
TeMPOraL wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's so common-sense about it? Or even commendable? Earth's carrying capacity is a problem to be solved, there are many viable solutions that can be executed in parallel, and it doesn't really sound like a big challenge relative to getting life extension working in the first place. Really, it's just bewildering to me that having a death wish is considered common-sense, normal viewpoint.

Is it really a death wish? Immortality being a curse is a common trope. Hell, even surviving to 90 or 100 can be its own kind of hell for those whose life is being unnaturally preserved for the sake of those who can't or won't let go.

Immortality yes, it is a curse, the option to choose your own time of death, no, it is not a curse.

Re: Steve Wozniak suffers minor stroke

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Post by krisoft »

ljm wrote: post #88
TeMPOraL wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's so common-sense about it? Or even commendable? Earth's carrying capacity is a problem to be solved, there are many viable solutions that can be executed in parallel, and it doesn't really sound like a big challenge relative to getting life extension working in the first place. Really, it's just bewildering to me that having a death wish is considered common-sense, normal viewpoint.

Is it really a death wish? Immortality being a curse is a common trope. Hell, even surviving to 90 or 100 can be its own kind of hell for those whose life is being unnaturally preserved for the sake of those who can't or won't let go.

> Immortality being a curse is a common trope.

The silliness of the trope starts with the notion that once you have gone immortal you can't go back. Somehow you are stuck yearning for the sweet release of death.

In reality life is extremely fragile, maintaining the right conditions to support it requires constant effort. There is no reason to think that any future scientific advance will alter this fundamental fact.

Therefore it is highly likely that whoever achieves practical immortality will be also able to undo their "curse" by simply discontinuing whatever practice keeps them alive.

Also, "forever" doesn't happen all at once. Give me immortality, and then check in with me yearly if I still want it. I will let you know once I'm over it.

Re: Steve Wozniak suffers minor stroke

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Post by Mo3 »

cracrecry wrote: post #91
upwardbound wrote: post #68

Woz is one of the most selfless people I've ever met. At a conference he keynoted for (SynBioBeta), he said that even if immortality were available to him, he wouldn't want to live forever, because he'd be taking up a spot in the Earth's population carrying capacity, and even if that's just one spot of many billions, he wouldn't feel right taking up that spot, when he's already lived his life and now it's time for so…

why do we have to limit ourselves to earth? It is like people can't look away and look at billions upon billions of galaxies clusters and could only see the limits of the Earth. The Earth is finite! we can't grow exponentially forever!

You act like we are limiting ourselves to earth on purpose. We're just not there yet.

Re: Steve Wozniak suffers minor stroke

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Post by schiffern »

cracrecry wrote: post #91
upwardbound wrote: post #68

Woz is one of the most selfless people I've ever met. At a conference he keynoted for (SynBioBeta), he said that even if immortality were available to him, he wouldn't want to live forever, because he'd be taking up a spot in the Earth's population carrying capacity, and even if that's just one spot of many billions, he wouldn't feel right taking up that spot, when he's already lived his life and now it's time for so…

why do we have to limit ourselves to earth? It is like people can't look away and look at billions upon billions of galaxies clusters and could only see the limits of the Earth. The Earth is finite! we can't grow exponentially forever!

> we can't grow exponentially forever!

We can't grow exponentially forever in space either. Somehow this gets forgotten.

  O(N^t) > O(t^3), for all N > 1
Here t^3 is the future light-cone of Earth, ie this assumes [trans]humanity expands at the speed of light and instantly colonizes all matter. This is an optimistic upper bound IMO.

Re: Steve Wozniak suffers minor stroke

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Post by jojobas »

schiffern wrote: post #96
cracrecry wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

why do we have to limit ourselves to earth? It is like people can't look away and look at billions upon billions of galaxies clusters and could only see the limits of the Earth. The Earth is finite! we can't grow exponentially forever!

> we can't grow exponentially forever! We can't grow exponentially forever in space either . Somehow this gets forgotten. O(N^t) > O(t^3), for all N > 1 Here t^3 is the future light-cone of Earth, ie this assumes [trans]humanity expands at the speed of light and instantly colonizes all matter. This is an optimistic upper bound IMO.

Something something heat death of the universe.

Re: Steve Wozniak suffers minor stroke

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Post by jojobas »

kome wrote: post #73
upwardbound wrote: post #68

Woz is one of the most selfless people I've ever met. At a conference he keynoted for (SynBioBeta), he said that even if immortality were available to him, he wouldn't want to live forever, because he'd be taking up a spot in the Earth's population carrying capacity, and even if that's just one spot of many billions, he wouldn't feel right taking up that spot, when he's already lived his life and now it's time for so…

It's surprising to me that such an obviously common-sense viewpoint is being treated as if it's extraordinary. Nonetheless, it's commendable that he hasn't succumbed to the delusions of grandeur and immortality.

>delusions of grandeur and immortality

Jobs took over his share of that.

Re: Steve Wozniak suffers minor stroke

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Post by ChrisRR »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #75
kome wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's surprising to me that such an obviously common-sense viewpoint is being treated as if it's extraordinary. Nonetheless, it's commendable that he hasn't succumbed to the delusions of grandeur and immortality.

What's so common-sense about it? Or even commendable? Earth's carrying capacity is a problem to be solved, there are many viable solutions that can be executed in parallel, and it doesn't really sound like a big challenge relative to getting life extension working in the first place. Really, it's just bewildering to me that having a death wish is considered common-sense, normal viewpoint.

I think you overestimate how common common sense is

And it's not a death wish. I think a lot of us realise that we probably don't offer a net positive to this earth, that our individual existence probably uses more resource than it provides. So technically that means that the earth would be better off without us, but that's not a death wish. We're not saying we're actively going to kill ourselves

Re: Steve Wozniak suffers minor stroke

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Post by sneak »

ChrisRR wrote: post #99
TeMPOraL wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's so common-sense about it? Or even commendable? Earth's carrying capacity is a problem to be solved, there are many viable solutions that can be executed in parallel, and it doesn't really sound like a big challenge relative to getting life extension working in the first place. Really, it's just bewildering to me that having a death wish is considered common-sense, normal viewpoint.

I think you overestimate how common common sense is And it's not a death wish. I think a lot of us realise that we probably don't offer a net positive to this earth, that our individual existence probably uses more resource than it provides. So technically that means that the earth would be better off without us, but that's not a death wish. We're not saying we're actively going to kill ourselves

Using more resources than you provide is not a good indicator that the earth would be better off without you. This accounting strikes me as, let’s say, “uncharitable”.

Hitler was bad for human society even if he pooped enriched uranium every 5 minutes. There are people who provide no resources whatsoever who make the Earth way, way better.

Thinking about a human life’s value in terms of “resources in/resources out” suggests to me that you have little understanding of the true value of humans and human culture.

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