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Sweden's schools minister declares charter school 'system failure'

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Re: Sweden's schools minister declares charter school 'system failure'

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

UK English has "public schools" which are private fee-paying, so Swenglish has the edge here

uk public schools are public in the sense if you have the money for tuition you can go, wheras "private" schools are only open to invited families, no matter how wealthy they are

no

Re: Sweden's schools minister declares charter school 'system failure'

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Unfortunate use of Swenglish in the headline. In Swedish, "friskola" means a school separate from the normal primary/secondary school funding system, run by the kommun/council. So it can refer to a school funded by a private company, foundation, religious group etc. Primary and secondary education in Sweden is free for the pupil or their guardians, it is payed through the tax system. The current system, in place sinc…

> The current system, in place since a few decades, is akin to a voucher system. I.e. the funding is ultimately via the taxpayer, but through different organizations. Is it the system advocated by Milton Friedman or is it different?

> Is it the system advocated by Milton Friedman or is it different?

I think Milton Friedman's idea, was that parents would actually receive education 'vouchers' and be free to use them in whichever education context they chose for their children.

This is slightly different, as the private/public system is wholly handled by the State system: parents simply choose between alternative schools, and the state channels taxpayer's money to whichever school the child attends.

Unfortunately, in many cases this has simply led to corporations or individuals who employ fewer or less qualified teachers, who in turn hand out 'optimistic' grades to the kids (attracting more parents), and extracting enormous profits from the State system.

At the same time, the normal State schools are being starved of resources; standards are falling, leading to more parents putting their kids into the private schools, leading to an inevitable downward spiral.

Re: Sweden's schools minister declares charter school 'system failure'

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post #3

Unfortunate use of Swenglish in the headline. In Swedish, "friskola" means a school separate from the normal primary/secondary school funding system, run by the kommun/council. So it can refer to a school funded by a private company, foundation, religious group etc. Primary and secondary education in Sweden is free for the pupil or their guardians, it is payed through the tax system. The current system, in place sinc…

Wikipedia translates the Swedish friskola as charter school in English.

https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friskola

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charter_school#Sweden

"A charter school is a school that receives government funding but operates independently of the established state school system in which it is located. It is independent in the sense that it operates according to the basic principle of autonomy for accountability, that it is freed from the rules but accountable for results."

Re: Sweden's schools minister declares charter school 'system failure'

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post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

UK English has "public schools" which are private fee-paying, so Swenglish has the edge here

uk public schools are public in the sense if you have the money for tuition you can go, wheras "private" schools are only open to invited families, no matter how wealthy they are

UK "public schools" are pretty much a subset of private schools:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_school_(United_Kingdom)

Re: Sweden's schools minister declares charter school 'system failure'

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The current system, in place since a few decades, is akin to a voucher system. I.e. the funding is ultimately via the taxpayer, but through different organizations. Is it the system advocated by Milton Friedman or is it different?

> Is it the system advocated by Milton Friedman or is it different? I think Milton Friedman's idea, was that parents would actually receive education 'vouchers' and be free to use them in whichever education context they chose for their children. This is slightly different, as the private/public system is wholly handled by the State system: parents simply choose between alternative schools, and the state channels tax…

This is basically the neoliberal story. I can't fathom for the life of me how people committed to historical concrete analysis can continue to advocate for these schemes. They always end up in exploitation.

People's commitment to ideologies seem to be stronger than any material evidence.

Re: Sweden's schools minister declares charter school 'system failure'

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

uk public schools are public in the sense if you have the money for tuition you can go, wheras "private" schools are only open to invited families, no matter how wealthy they are

UK "public schools" are pretty much a subset of private schools: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_school_(United_Kingdom)

In the UK, public & private are pretty much synonyms in the schooling context, traditionally the public schools were the "grand institutions", Eton, Harrow etc, but you'd struggle to find anyone who would make that distinction in the present day. If you did, they probably went to one of them.

Re: Sweden's schools minister declares charter school 'system failure'

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I must admit that I do not know the specifics of the Swedish model of "friskolor", but I do know that a translation to "free schools" are so misleading that intentional deception seems to be the explanation.

We have a similar concept in Denmark, but here they are called "private schools", some of them are also called "Friskole", which can be translated the same way as the headline - the meaning is however that their metodes are "free" of the municipality decisions about education, not that they are free of payment, quite the opposite, they often require additional payment.

They get the same funding for each student as the public schools, if and only if, they meet certain requirements, basically the same law as public schools are required to meet. And specifically, they must be a "self owned" institution and all funding can only be used for the school and education. They are free to require the aforementioned additional payment, but they cannot be profit generating if they want funding from the government.

Re: Sweden's schools minister declares charter school 'system failure'

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The current system, in place since a few decades, is akin to a voucher system. I.e. the funding is ultimately via the taxpayer, but through different organizations. Is it the system advocated by Milton Friedman or is it different?

> Is it the system advocated by Milton Friedman or is it different? I think Milton Friedman's idea, was that parents would actually receive education 'vouchers' and be free to use them in whichever education context they chose for their children. This is slightly different, as the private/public system is wholly handled by the State system: parents simply choose between alternative schools, and the state channels tax…

Makes sense... parents (and kids) will tend to choose the schools where pupils have an easier time, good grades etc., not necessarily the schools which will give them a better education. So this is probably a case of misaligned incentives and another rebuke of the idea that "free competition benefits everyone".

Re: Sweden's schools minister declares charter school 'system failure'

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This is an interesting development since the original reform was initiated by Moderaterna, the conservative party leading our current government.

Here's the proposal (in Swedish) from 1991 by Carl Bildt (PM) and Beatrice Ask (minister for schools).

https://data.riksdagen.se/fil/5277FE6D-7C0B-47CB-AE25-7B2234...

They were in a coalition with Folkpartiet (now Liberalerna) back then as well, so this sounds like healthy self-critizism to me. That's a bit unexpected in our current political climate where you can't even admit you forgot your passport.

("There was a logistical obstacle" is a hilarious euphemism that I will definitely steal though! https://www.thelocal.se/20231003/swedish-foreign-minister-mi...)

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