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Post by powersnail »

dingnuts wrote: post #599
dpkirchner wrote: post #585

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the US if a package is not left at the door you either have to wait an unknowable amount of time for another attempt, or you'd have to go to a facility to pick it up. It's difficult to figure out exactly where the facilities are and you're not guaranteed the package won't still be on the original truck or on a new one. The facilities may only be open during the day, while you're at work. Additionally, it's common…

speak for yourself, I live in a large US suburb and I trust my neighbors. I grew up in a rural area and I trusted my neighbors when I lived in the urban core of a top 10 population US city, I still trusted my neighbors another comment said the US still had "remnants" of a high trust society. I grew up in that high trust society. I am not old. if our high trust society is gone, we should do whatever is necessary to ge…

I live in US suburb and I also trust my neighbors. It's unlikely that my actual neighbors are stealing packages.

The problem is that there are people who drives through residential areas looking for packages to steal, cars to break into, etc. and that occurs quite frequently, as caught on our security camera.

It doesn't take many motorized perpetrators to lower the overall confidence in how secure it is to leave packages outside, given how much range the porch pirates can cover in a single afternoon.

Re: Home Assistant blocked from integrating with Garage Door opener API

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Post by zaptheimpaler »

TheCapeGreek wrote: post #563
scrps wrote: post #447

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Amazon expects me to weaken my physical security posture to help them defend against an activity I don't engage in and is in no way my responsibility? AND Chamberlain expects me to weaken my digital security posture so they can run some opaque crap on my network¹ that I have very little observability into and even less control over so they can make money? Money is one hell of a drug because they are high. How about a…

I find it odd that the standard policy is to leave packages unattended in any form in the first place . This is another one of those things that is not standard globally. E.g for us in South Africa, this would be unthinkable, regardless of how much time it saves the delivery company. The only time a parcel is left at the door is when it's UberEats. Otherwise delivery is rescheduled if we don't physically collect parc…

Its a huge pain though. You have to be home all day waiting for a package or the delivery drivers have to work evenings/nights only or you have to go somewhere to pick it up. Drop off is much better if there's no obstacles like access or theft.

Re: Home Assistant blocked from integrating with Garage Door opener API

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Post by philomath_mn »

404mm wrote: post #165

I don’t understand how the MyQ app has such a high rating in the App Store. 4.8, 1.5M reviews. It’s so bare bones, no shortcut support, (obviously) no HomeKit, no widget, literally nothing to make the use easier or more convenient. To make things even worse, first position above you devices is an ad (for their other devices) and it periodically suggests that I connect it to Amazon so some random people delivering pac…

There is a button that reliably opens and closes my garage door and it also gives me an accurate door state. So it is a 4 or a 5 for basic users like myself

Re: Home Assistant blocked from integrating with Garage Door opener API

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Post by 404mm »

philomath_mn wrote: post #613
404mm wrote: post #165

I don’t understand how the MyQ app has such a high rating in the App Store. 4.8, 1.5M reviews. It’s so bare bones, no shortcut support, (obviously) no HomeKit, no widget, literally nothing to make the use easier or more convenient. To make things even worse, first position above you devices is an ad (for their other devices) and it periodically suggests that I connect it to Amazon so some random people delivering pac…

There is a button that reliably opens and closes my garage door and it also gives me an accurate door state. So it is a 4 or a 5 for basic users like myself

I see your point and I don’t disagree with you on that. It was reliable for me as well.

My ultimate wish is to have only one of these apps (ie. the Home app) so I can control all devices.

Re: Home Assistant blocked from integrating with Garage Door opener API

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Post by moogly »

jonwest wrote: post #202
XorNot wrote: post #138

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Huh, nice. I went with a dry contact kit from Athom but status feedback is tempting (mine just uses a reed switch to detect state): https://www.athom.tech/blank-1/garage-door-opener-for-esphom...

I use the Athom one also, and putting a reed switch in the fully closed state, as well as in the fully open state allows me to reasonably determine where the door is. Might not be enough for your case, but for me it was enough to know that the door is “kinda open”, or “fully open”, or closed.

I did the same with a MHCOZY Zigbee dry contact relay and two Aqara door/window sensors. I use the dry contact relay for two doors, and have two more channels to use for other stuff if I need to.

Additionally, I tried using an Aqara vibration/tilt sensor for more accurate "partially open" status reporting but it was a) not sensitive enough b) too unreliable c) too slow to update. I guess it's more meant for detecting impacts or falls.

I've also toyed with the idea to mount an ultrasonic distance sensor at the top of the (rolling) door, which could measure how far from the ceiling/far wall the top of the door is, but it'd be pretty bulky and problematic to power mounted on a moving part like a door.

Re: Home Assistant blocked from integrating with Garage Door opener API

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Post by sobkas »

NavinF wrote: post #527
TeMPOraL wrote: post #522

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I know; but I was surprised about implied lack of ubiquity of the kind of lockers that are massively deployed where I live.

They're ubiquitous, but few prefer them over the convenience of delivery to the doorstep. Buyers are never responsible for missing packages so there's little incentive to use lockers unless you're buying a secret gift or live in a very sketchy neighborhood or your home is so far from the warehouses that same-day delivery is only available at the locker

> They're ubiquitous, but few prefer them over the convenience of delivery to the doorstep. Buyers are never responsible for missing packages so there's little incentive to use lockers unless you're buying a secret gift or live in a very sketchy neighborhood or your home is so far from the warehouses that same-day delivery is only available at the locker

Then why so much effort is needed to stop package theft to the point of giving access to your house to strangers? Apparently getting package on your doorstep is not as convenient as you would like others to believe. Using such lockers is convenient and secure, giving package to recipient hands is secure but not convenient, leaving package at doorstep* is neither.

*or any other place convenient for whomever is delivering it

Re: Home Assistant blocked from integrating with Garage Door opener API

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Post by throwanem »

mbesto wrote: post #230
throwanem wrote: post #173

Wait. People bought and installed garage doors that need to talk to the Internet to work? People on here did this?

You don't have a choice...all of the major garage doors are supplied by one company (Chamberlin Group)

Ugh. Maybe I'm not too sorry not to have a garage - the workshop space would be nice, but a basement suffices, and at least parking where I do I can trust the street won't stop working.

Re: Home Assistant blocked from integrating with Garage Door opener API

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Post by tacitusarc »

powersnail wrote: post #611
dingnuts wrote: post #599

Earlier quoted context omitted.

speak for yourself, I live in a large US suburb and I trust my neighbors. I grew up in a rural area and I trusted my neighbors when I lived in the urban core of a top 10 population US city, I still trusted my neighbors another comment said the US still had "remnants" of a high trust society. I grew up in that high trust society. I am not old. if our high trust society is gone, we should do whatever is necessary to ge…

I live in US suburb and I also trust my neighbors. It's unlikely that my actual neighbors are stealing packages. The problem is that there are people who drives through residential areas looking for packages to steal, cars to break into, etc. and that occurs quite frequently, as caught on our security camera. It doesn't take many motorized perpetrators to lower the overall confidence in how secure it is to leave pack…

I trust my neighbors and I have a slew of high res cameras monitoring the area. When there is theft my neighbors come to my house (located at the main entrance to the area), and I get them the relevant footage if I can find it. It’s only happened a few times but I think it helps build community trust.

Re: Home Assistant blocked from integrating with Garage Door opener API

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Post by xp84 »

dheera wrote: post #550
xp84 wrote: post #546

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This would work with only humans involved, but nearly everybody runs addresses through standardization now, and they would reject all of those as an incorrect address and usually require the user to enter a conforming one, including the (otherwise very clever) apartment number hack. This is the same thing that continuously requires me to use my "ZIP+4" for absolutely everything, even though as far as i can tell, ther…

The trick is if your address is unreadable by the standardizers it gets printed as-is and it ends up with humans processing it. If you write "885 Foo St. (blue house)" it will get standardized to "885 Foo St." If you write "Blue house on Foo St. (eight eight five)" the standardizers will choke and it will be printed as-is.

I'm sure that sometimes happens successfully as you describe, but having worked in ecommerce for a long time, many larger retailers will throw addresses like that either back at the customer until they "fix it" or to a queue where customer service will attempt to "fix it" including by calling you. The carriers (like FedEx etc.) really like standardized addresses. So this could result in delays in getting your order.
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