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Re: People no longer know how much to tip

#51
post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don't worry, you will stop feeling bad about it after it happens a few more times. You haven't done anything wrong.

but the fear of them spitting in the food will always still be there

It's insane that we live in fear of retaliation for not giving a vendor more money while getting nothing in return.

Re: People no longer know how much to tip

#52
post #13

This might be a self-report, but... I used to tip anywhere from high 20's to low 30's, but in the years since COVID, _everything_ asks for a tip even when no extra service is provided (i.e. take-out), so I default to 0%, or a modest 10 or 15% if it's dine-in at a local shop. I support workers' rights and a living wage, but can't really justify upholding the current scheme of exploitation by store owners in the name o…

I used to tip 50%. $2 beer? $1 tip. Now the same beer is $5 and I dont feel like tipping anymore.

Re: People no longer know how much to tip

#53

It can sound controversial, but can we please stop with tipping altogether? Leaving aside for a second the fact that now tipping is basically asked everywhere (even at automated machines) - as an European I consider it an extremely stupid trend. If you're "forced" to tip, then it's not a tip anymore. The concept of tipping, at least in Switzerland, has always been to show gratitude for an *exceptional* service. I tot…

I genuinely enjoy tipping at places that provide a service over an extended period of time. I've had a golf lesson where the guy stayed 15 minutes over to show me some pointers, I've gotten haircuts where the dude takes his time to do it right and is a pleasure to hang out with. Tipping in those scenarios feels like I'm rewarding awesome services. 95% of tipping scenarios aren't that, and it's gotten out of control.

I agree, but only if it truly is voluntary and for someone going above and beyond. Right now there isn't much difference in tip between an okay and a great experience.

Re: People no longer know how much to tip

#54
post #5

I for one am getting sick of the constant request for tips, especially before services rendered. I feel obligated to tip because I'm worried if I don't I'll be getting "trouser food" as Roy says, and so whatever the price i think I'll be paying is actually $5-$10 more than expected. Especially with delivery at this point or places that are self service.

I get tipping where it is an established tradition (like the restaurants or when traveling). But in these new paradigms you mention, you don't have to tip!

E.g. food delivery (at larger scale) came to my country during COVID. Since there is no tradition or expectation, I never tip the app. AFAIK, my friends don't either. And it's fine that way.

Re: People no longer know how much to tip

#55

It can sound controversial, but can we please stop with tipping altogether? Leaving aside for a second the fact that now tipping is basically asked everywhere (even at automated machines) - as an European I consider it an extremely stupid trend. If you're "forced" to tip, then it's not a tip anymore. The concept of tipping, at least in Switzerland, has always been to show gratitude for an *exceptional* service. I tot…

Tipping basically increases pay for busier shifts or higher end restaurants.

I don't love it, but I'm not going to be the one stiffing my waiter.

Re: People no longer know how much to tip

#56

It can sound controversial, but can we please stop with tipping altogether? Leaving aside for a second the fact that now tipping is basically asked everywhere (even at automated machines) - as an European I consider it an extremely stupid trend. If you're "forced" to tip, then it's not a tip anymore. The concept of tipping, at least in Switzerland, has always been to show gratitude for an *exceptional* service. I tot…

I genuinely enjoy tipping at places that provide a service over an extended period of time. I've had a golf lesson where the guy stayed 15 minutes over to show me some pointers, I've gotten haircuts where the dude takes his time to do it right and is a pleasure to hang out with. Tipping in those scenarios feels like I'm rewarding awesome services. 95% of tipping scenarios aren't that, and it's gotten out of control.

Yes, that's "exceptional" for me. If someone really goes an extra mile without expecting anything in return - they deserve to be tipped.

The key word here is deserving it - if it becomes almost mandatory then it's not exceptional anymore

Re: People no longer know how much to tip

#57

It can sound controversial, but can we please stop with tipping altogether? Leaving aside for a second the fact that now tipping is basically asked everywhere (even at automated machines) - as an European I consider it an extremely stupid trend. If you're "forced" to tip, then it's not a tip anymore. The concept of tipping, at least in Switzerland, has always been to show gratitude for an *exceptional* service. I tot…

Tipping is not quite everywhere, Australia and Japan come to mind. Tipping boggles my mind as it is such an obvious manipulation of both the customer and the employee, by the employer.

Don't make it my job to figure out your financials, I am just here to eat. Price your service properly and pay your workers.

Re: People no longer know how much to tip

#58

It can sound controversial, but can we please stop with tipping altogether? Leaving aside for a second the fact that now tipping is basically asked everywhere (even at automated machines) - as an European I consider it an extremely stupid trend. If you're "forced" to tip, then it's not a tip anymore. The concept of tipping, at least in Switzerland, has always been to show gratitude for an *exceptional* service. I tot…

Eh most workers prefer tipping as they can usually make more with tipping then they can with an increased wage. The real problem is where tipping is now demanded when no customer service is given or before.

Or when the tip is requested before any service has been rendered. Delivery apps are the worst at this - I had a bad enough experience on one delivery that I reached out to support to reduce the tip.

But realistically I'd rather it just be built into the price.

Re: People no longer know how much to tip

#59
The biggest myth is that of poor service workers being paid under minimum wage and relying on your tips to survive

the reality is that attractive waitresses make up to FIVE TIMES the take home nightly pay of workers in the back in tips. tips are extremely lucrative. there is a reason that wait staff themselves never oppose the current system. Not to mention the legal myths. if they actually received $0 in tips their employer would still be obligated to pay them atleast minimum wage. there is a reason they dont have to.

Re: People no longer know how much to tip

#60
post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don't worry, you will stop feeling bad about it after it happens a few more times. You haven't done anything wrong.

It took me a few months to get over not tipping but my new rule is unless it's a sit down and food is brought, no tip.

That's my rule as well. Additionally they have to be able to accept the tip via card.
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