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Re: You Win or You Learn

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You can with old.reddit.com

Which afaik has an expired certificate. Let's not act like anyone outside the hn and og reddit bubble uses it

Seems fine for me.

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Re: You Win or You Learn

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The only new feature I wanted for Tumblr was ActivityPub, that was nixed a while ago. Bad show.

Their entire argument appears to be "We aren't making more money than all-time peak revenue and usage stats are lower than peak too so we aren't wasting money on it any longer." Maybe if they had realistic goals that weren't just "try to make more money than ever before" they could have kept going at least somewhat...

Their problem is also that "all time peak revenue" is not enough to cover even just the server costs, let alone salaries. They're bleeding 30 million USD per year with no path to profitability ever.

Re: You Win or You Learn

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post #77

Is there any alternative for having a gallery of text&photo posts without forced login and exploitative social media distractions? (except for self-hosting) When I looked for this 11 years ago, tumblr was the only platform ticking these boxes. I just wanted to share a link to photos of what we are up to with family and friends without asking them to register at another platform, and only tumblr allowed that and did n…

https://cohost.org/ ? Edit for a bit of info: There is no discovery mechanism built-in and no "algorithm". The way to find more posts on a topic is to use hashtags. Everything is reverse-chronological. If someone wants their post to have broader engagement, they will post with "#The Cohost Global Feed" or some broad topic. You can go browse if you want to, but the site isn't going to push anything on you (besides fol…

Hmm not bad, though having to do 4 "pick the land vehicles from 4-bit images" was super annoying!

Re: You Win or You Learn

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post #94

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> You don't think the millions of hours of widely available online porno has any impact on our culture or how people view sex? No, hence why I didn't say that. > It's incredibly ignorant to think that "evangelical Christians" are the only ones opposed to porn Lots of people are opposed to porn. The idea of porn addiction, OTOH, is very strongly associated with religiosity in general, and certain socially consevative…

The WHO recognizes "porn addiction" so its not some conspiracy theory. Not that I trust the WHO. Looks like porn is available for sale, possession, and production in almost all Christian majority nations, but not Islamic ones - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pornography_laws_by_region

>>so its not some conspiracy theory.

I can not think of legitimate organization that is more filled with conspiracy theory than the UN.. so citing "well this UN organization says it so it can be conspiracy" is very ironic

Re: You Win or You Learn

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It seems like social medias, from a financial perspective, are more commonly bad than good. Out of all the mainstream social medias I know, these ones seem to be losing money (or at least aren't generating "enough" profit): - Twitter: halved in value in 1 year - Tumblr - Reddit: stated it wasn't doing well when it increased the API price - YouTube: seems to not be doing well because it's trying to push adds and incre…

Who would have ever though giving way your product for free would not be a good business model... odd....

It is not "social media" that is the problem is the Ad Supported business model in general, everything ad supported is having problems right now, look at "news", blog sites, etc

If it is ad support is has issue turning a profit.

That is because ad supported is a terrible business model, however investors keep trying it for some reasons... it is like socialism, this time it will work .. we just have to "do it right"

nope. ad supported will never work. google is the closest by control everything from the browser up, but as we see with YT they still struggle

Re: You Win or You Learn

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post #99

I think Tumblr is going to end up in business textbooks as a classic example of corporations seizing a community and strangling the life out of it

I think it's rather a cautionary tale of never growing income to meet your expenses. They never made a business; just a vc then yahoo then verizon then automattic-owned charity.

It's really fascinating how long some of these things can carry on. One of my contracting clients has been going for over ten years (!!!) without ever making a profit and even now with the waves lapping at their feet they're still angling for the next big investment tranche.

Re: You Win or You Learn

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They did, but that was a while ago. Things are still pretty bad -- if your blog gets flagged for racy content, you lose the ability to have a custom avatar, for example. (Even more, and you get banned.) They've also had quite transphobic moderation policies (really strange considering their userbase!) -- normal, non-sexual photos of trans people are "nsfw" now, which'll get your account flagged or banned. They've bee…

> normal, non-sexual photos of trans people are "nsfw" now FWIW, the algorithms that big tech companies use are often trained to recognize women’s underwear. So non-sexual photos of trans men wearing women’s underwear are often flagged, even when similar photos of women wearing boxers are not. I’m not saying it’s right, just giving the actual reason this happens. (Albeit I don’t have Tumblr-specific knowledge.)

Cool. Now why does it consistently happen for images where no underwear is visible, and why doesn't it happen for cis women? Why are appeals not granted? And why didn't staff even acknowledge there's a problem?

Re: You Win or You Learn

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MindGeek should buy Tumblr and allow adult content again. Tumblr's success was that it was an adult space that wasn't strictly pornography. It was a "cool sex" to PornHub's "hot sex".

> MindGeek should buy Tumblr and allow adult content again. MindGeek isn't interested in new investments allowing independent content creation. MindGeek has been the target of active - and successful - campaigns from anti-pornography groups with explicit religious motivation (Exodus Cry, Morality in Media, etc., mostly funded by right-wing evangelicals). Those groups are the reason that Xtube shut down in 2021, and t…

While I don't disagree with the bulk of your comment, it's worth noting that PornHub / MindGeek didn't just shoot themselves in the foot but hurt the entire industry when there were numerous videos of missing teens and underage content found on their site.

I say this as someone who ran an adult website for 18 years, in Canada, until suddenly our bank informed us that they were closing our commercial accounts and we couldn't find a single other bank or credit union in this country that would take our business despite a pristine 18 year track record.

The only thing that had changed was the MindGeek scandal. Maybe the media misrepresented it, maybe the content issues were fabricated by "anti-pornography" groups. But one day everything is fine, the next day MindGeek (a Canadian company) is in the news and the next day we're shut down despite having done nothing wrong.

It's hard for me to scapegoat conservatives and anti-porn groups when they were WAY more vocal and active when I first started my business (back in 2004 this was when the George W Bush administration was prosecuting obscenity for the first time in decades, and passing USC 18 2557). By 2022 they had virtually gone away. Then MindGeek was caught allowing some some really shady shit on PornHub.

Also this was just a year or two after the Girls Do Porn scandal (Google it if you're unaware). Those girls suing those assholes for sexual abuse and contractual misrepresentation was not "anti-porn groups."

So my take, as a former business owner in the industry, was that it took a few public scandals and scares for the banks and corporate America to go "hmm... maybe we were wrong to get too liberal with this stuff." Some of that may have been fueled by the anti-porn lobby .. but if MindGeek had kept their nose clean it likely wouldn't have worked.

Re: You Win or You Learn

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MindGeek should buy Tumblr and allow adult content again. Tumblr's success was that it was an adult space that wasn't strictly pornography. It was a "cool sex" to PornHub's "hot sex".

Unfortunately, it's not that simple. Tumblr allowing adult content would probably get it removed from app stores. Only a few major apps get away with it, and when they're gone, they're gone.

Tumblr did fine before app stores ever existed, and could do perfectly well without them now as well. Web is enough.

Re: You Win or You Learn

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> MindGeek should buy Tumblr and allow adult content again. MindGeek isn't interested in new investments allowing independent content creation. MindGeek has been the target of active - and successful - campaigns from anti-pornography groups with explicit religious motivation (Exodus Cry, Morality in Media, etc., mostly funded by right-wing evangelicals). Those groups are the reason that Xtube shut down in 2021, and t…

While I don't disagree with the bulk of your comment, it's worth noting that PornHub / MindGeek didn't just shoot themselves in the foot but hurt the entire industry when there were numerous videos of missing teens and underage content found on their site. I say this as someone who ran an adult website for 18 years, in Canada, until suddenly our bank informed us that they were closing our commercial accounts and we c…

> While I don't disagree with the bulk of your comment, it's worth noting that PornHub / MindGeek didn't just shoot themselves in the foot but hurt the entire industry when there were numerous videos of missing teens and underage content found on their site.

This itself is a misconception driven by those anti-pornography groups. MindGeek was incredibly good about removing CSAM from their platform, not just reactively but proactively. If you look at the numbers, Facebook is actually a much larger source of child sexual exploitation material than Pornhub was. However, Exodus Cry doesn't care about CSAM on Facebook, because their goal isn't to end CSAM: it's to end pornography.

> It's hard for me to scapegoat conservatives and anti-porn groups when they were WAY more vocal and active when I first started my business

Anti-porn groups are way more active today than they were in the early Bush years. The difference is that, unlike then, their campaigns aren't receiving any attention outside the business, which is part of why they're so successful: there's no real opposition.

> if MindGeek had kept their nose clean it likely wouldn't have worked.

Anti-porn groups aren't going after these companies because they have scandals. They're going after them because they oppose pornography, and it fits their agenda. If they cared about ending child exploitation, they would go after companies like Facebook - but they don't, because that doesn't accomplish their explict, stated goal of ending commercial sex work.

It's missing the point to blame MindGeek for the "scandal" when they're nowhere near the worst offender - they're just being targeted by groups who have a specific political agenda. No matter how much work MindGeek does to eliminate CSAM, anti-porn groups will claim that it's not enough. The leader of the Exodus Cry campaign has literally said that they want to make it impossible for MindGeek to operate legally.

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