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Re: Servo announces grant from the NLnet Foundation

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Post by maleldil »

div72 wrote: post #15
mrd3v0 wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They fired everyone working on it and completely abandoned it while giving the CEO a million dollar pay raise the same year. When are we going to talk about how openly corrupt Mozilla has become? They clearly have issues at the top that need to be fixed for the betterment of web.

> When are we going to talk about how openly corrupt Mozilla has become? It's routinely discussed on HN, whenever a topic about Mozilla/browsers comes up. The real question in my opinion is what can we do about it? Start an awareness campaign? Stop using Firefox? Stop donating to Mozilla?

> Stop using Firefox?

And use what? A Chromium reskin and give up the web to Google?

Mozilla has (many) problems, but it remains the main organisation fighting for the open web.

Re: Servo announces grant from the NLnet Foundation

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Post by abhinavk »

ilaksh wrote: post #23

Somehow I thought that Servo was already incorporated into Firefox. Is there a way to render some HTML in Rust into an image, without loading a whole browser? It doesn't have to support a lot of HTML or CSS.

Not the entire engine but WebRender (GPU-based compositor) and Stylo (CSS engine) are in Firefox for a few years now.

Re: Servo announces grant from the NLnet Foundation

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Post by konart »

dale_glass wrote: post #36
ericlewis wrote: post #27

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If you offered me a lot of money and unlimited timeline I'd have done it as well, and I don't know what Servo is.

Servo is an experimental web engine written in Rust, originally by Mozilla.

I'm pretty sure this was a sarcasm.

Re: Servo announces grant from the NLnet Foundation

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Post by paulrouget »

nicoburns wrote: post #2

It's cool to see the work on Servo since Igalia picked it up. There was a lot of tech debt to work through due to years of minimal maintenance, but they seem to have been making real progress. My personal hope is they push hard on the modularity angle. Seems to me that: 1) there's probably a niche to be filled by an OSS browser engine focussed on embedability and 2) That it could be a huge boon for the long-term heal…

> My personal hope is they push hard on the modularity angle

It is strongly designed that way (the component model and the embed layer).

Re: Servo announces grant from the NLnet Foundation

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Post by Aeolun »

maleldil wrote: post #41
div72 wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> When are we going to talk about how openly corrupt Mozilla has become? It's routinely discussed on HN, whenever a topic about Mozilla/browsers comes up. The real question in my opinion is what can we do about it? Start an awareness campaign? Stop using Firefox? Stop donating to Mozilla?

> Stop using Firefox? And use what? A Chromium reskin and give up the web to Google? Mozilla has (many) problems, but it remains the main organisation fighting for the open web.

> Mozilla has (many) problems, but it remains the main organisation fighting for the open web.

Well, it’s a different organisation from MS and Google anyway. I’m not sure how much I’d say they’re fighting for an open web, so much as I’d say they’re fighting for their slice of it. But the end result is more or less the same.

Re: Servo announces grant from the NLnet Foundation

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Post by emn13 »

dale_glass wrote: post #17
rvz wrote: post #12

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> Can't believe Mozilla wasn't interested in it. It is because it doesn't make money. An expensive research project (Servo) that was not worth the effort for Mozilla. Mozilla needs to find better ways of making money and not depending on Googles' money. Now thanks to the US v Google anti-trust trial, Mozilla doesn't know if they should support Google for keeping them alive for their hundreds of millions of dollars or…

That sounds like an amazing failure of imagination to me. I see at least 3 excellent angles. 1. Chrome beat Firefox in the stability/security area. Its usage of multiple processes, sandboxing, etc is excellent, while Firefox failed to adapt. Servo seems to have an excellent potential for coming up on top there, being both more secure, and having higher performance. 2. There are actually markets interested in security…

While this is great brainstorming, that doesn't mean it's a viable business plan. Having a large highly qualified dev-team working on experimental stuff for now over a decade and no likelihood of completion anytime soon and without a business plan is pretty tricky, even for a non-profit.

In general, for research of that type (of scale) it doesn't strike me as generally very viable to rely on commercial support, and such a niche technicality is surely not going to collect enough donations to run on that alone. If we want to fund this because it's an interesting option for the future in the long term, governments are going to need to chip in - and it looks like that's at least partly at play here (or even primarily), i.e.: system working as designed.

Re: Servo announces grant from the NLnet Foundation

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Post by unflxw »

maleldil wrote: post #41
div72 wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> When are we going to talk about how openly corrupt Mozilla has become? It's routinely discussed on HN, whenever a topic about Mozilla/browsers comes up. The real question in my opinion is what can we do about it? Start an awareness campaign? Stop using Firefox? Stop donating to Mozilla?

> Stop using Firefox? And use what? A Chromium reskin and give up the web to Google? Mozilla has (many) problems, but it remains the main organisation fighting for the open web.

I'd argue that the EFF is the main organization fighting for the open web.

Re: Servo announces grant from the NLnet Foundation

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Post by tristan957 »

dale_glass wrote: post #3

I'm very excited about Servo. Can't believe Mozilla wasn't interested in it. Not only the idea of an engine with great security and performance is an excellent one, but I also love the idea of a web engine as a component. This for some reason seems to have disappeared in modern times. IE used to have an ActiveX control back in the Windows 9x days. You could embed a web engine anywhere you wanted. KHTML also worked li…

Mozilla was interested in Servo. What do you mean? They extracted multiple components into Gecko including WebRender and Stylo.
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