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Re: YouTube's ban leads to a record number of users uninstalling their ad-blockers

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Post by izacus »

southernplaces7 wrote: post #40

Those of you defending youtube on this, have you actually tried watching anything on the site without ad blockers? It's not just that they serve you occasional, only moderately annoying ads as a subsidy for not paying, they do it in such an intrusively pervasive manner that it seems intentionally designed to make it nearly unusable. The sheer quantity of garbage interrupting your music or anything else you care to wa…

My YouTube with premium subscription works just fine across all platforms with no ads.

They give me service, I give them money, sounds fair.

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Post by Ekaros »

simbolit wrote: post #6
repelsteeltje wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I see what you mean about Google's greed. But to be perfectly honoust there is some greed on our behalf as well. The "contract" with YouTube being: don't pay us in $$$, give us your privacy — by attempting to use without revealing our privacy gold we're somewhat free loading, being greedy. It would be better to reject the "contract" and find different ways to access the content without relying on Google's "free" dist…

You would think controlling what the world watches via algorithms with no oversight whatsoever would be a valuable thing to have. But having that AND getting ad money is more valuable, of course, so they do it.

Isn't the first one what makes the later one valuable? And without it would have somewhat less value...

And who would actually pay on what people watch? Would that really be sustainable model?

Re: YouTube's ban leads to a record number of users uninstalling their ad-blockers

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Post by Kwpolska »

vouaobrasil wrote: post #13
mrweasel wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> but even if not, YouTube is being greedy here While I agree with the greedy part, what do you specifically suggest they do? If they do nothing then the people without an adblocker are effectively subsidizing those who don't see the ads, resulting in them seeing more ads. If you don't want ads there's YouTube Premium ( even if it sucks that you need to get YouTube Music at the same time ). The worst part of that dea…

I think Google should offer a paid tier like YouTube premium, but with the following feautures: (1) You can opt out of any analytics and tracking (2) They would turn off ads for your OWN channel. So for example, if I have a channel and I pay for premium, then I should be able to TURN OFF ads so that OTHERS who view my channel don't see ads. If Google had these features, I would buy premium in a heartbeat.

And who would buy this premium subscription? Most popular YouTubers want to make money from ads displayed on their videos, it's often one of their primary revenue streams.

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Post by notpushkin »

adrianfanaca wrote: post #30
simbolit wrote: post #4

https://piped.video https://piped.kavin.rocks https://yewtu.be

I just don’t understand why people don’t use Invidious instead of paying money to these greedy bastards

Because (a) it's not that widely known and (b) Google is trying to block it [1], so many instances are broken now, which isn't a great experience.

[1]: https://github.com/iv-org/invidious/issues/3915

Re: YouTube's ban leads to a record number of users uninstalling their ad-blockers

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Post by danielbln »

matthewfelgate wrote: post #17
malermeister wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They won't. The movie industry has been trying to stop piracy with technical measures forever. Things still get pirated. Every measure they take will be broken. They'll win over the masses, which is what they really care about. But they won't ever defeat the die-hards.

Netflix killed Torrents. Spotify killed Napster.

There is like a decade between Napster ending and Spotify launching. No, it's iTunes that killed mp3 pirating, Spotify killed what was left of it plus optical media.

Netflix may have dampened torrents at some point, but boy are those making a comeback with the splintered enshittifcation prone streaming world we live in.

Re: YouTube's ban leads to a record number of users uninstalling their ad-blockers

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Post by jefftk »

vouaobrasil wrote: post #13
mrweasel wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> but even if not, YouTube is being greedy here While I agree with the greedy part, what do you specifically suggest they do? If they do nothing then the people without an adblocker are effectively subsidizing those who don't see the ads, resulting in them seeing more ads. If you don't want ads there's YouTube Premium ( even if it sucks that you need to get YouTube Music at the same time ). The worst part of that dea…

I think Google should offer a paid tier like YouTube premium, but with the following feautures: (1) You can opt out of any analytics and tracking (2) They would turn off ads for your OWN channel. So for example, if I have a channel and I pay for premium, then I should be able to TURN OFF ads so that OTHERS who view my channel don't see ads. If Google had these features, I would buy premium in a heartbeat.

With (2) they'd need to charge for this tier in proportion to viewership, no? An amount that makes sense for someone with 100 subs is going to be really different than for someone with 100M.

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Post by jefftk »

Kwpolska wrote: post #43
vouaobrasil wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think Google should offer a paid tier like YouTube premium, but with the following feautures: (1) You can opt out of any analytics and tracking (2) They would turn off ads for your OWN channel. So for example, if I have a channel and I pay for premium, then I should be able to TURN OFF ads so that OTHERS who view my channel don't see ads. If Google had these features, I would buy premium in a heartbeat.

And who would buy this premium subscription? Most popular YouTubers want to make money from ads displayed on their videos, it's often one of their primary revenue streams.

Sponsored videos?

Re: YouTube's ban leads to a record number of users uninstalling their ad-blockers

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Post by dkjaudyeqooe »

suby wrote: post #20
LandR wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This isn't working for me on Firefox / uBlock and Ubuntu :( I don't get the popup, but the video is just black and the play button does nothing.

Did you already hit their three strikes soft ban prior to updating the cache?

What is it? Hard for anyone to tell without describing it.

Re: YouTube's ban leads to a record number of users uninstalling their ad-blockers

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Post by dfxm12 »

jaimehrubiks wrote: post #7
repelsteeltje wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I see what you mean about Google's greed. But to be perfectly honoust there is some greed on our behalf as well. The "contract" with YouTube being: don't pay us in $$$, give us your privacy — by attempting to use without revealing our privacy gold we're somewhat free loading, being greedy. It would be better to reject the "contract" and find different ways to access the content without relying on Google's "free" dist…

Not sure why you're being down voted. I love ad blockers and that's my go-to when it comes to Google. But I think it's fair for them to offer YouTube in exchange of either privacy, ads or premium subscription

It is naive to think they don't collect data from their YT premium users. Plus, for free users they show ads and collect data.
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