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Re: YouTube's ban leads to a record number of users uninstalling their ad-blockers

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Post by IgorPartola »

vouaobrasil wrote: post #13
mrweasel wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> but even if not, YouTube is being greedy here While I agree with the greedy part, what do you specifically suggest they do? If they do nothing then the people without an adblocker are effectively subsidizing those who don't see the ads, resulting in them seeing more ads. If you don't want ads there's YouTube Premium ( even if it sucks that you need to get YouTube Music at the same time ). The worst part of that dea…

I think Google should offer a paid tier like YouTube premium, but with the following feautures: (1) You can opt out of any analytics and tracking (2) They would turn off ads for your OWN channel. So for example, if I have a channel and I pay for premium, then I should be able to TURN OFF ads so that OTHERS who view my channel don't see ads. If Google had these features, I would buy premium in a heartbeat.

Why not Vimeo?

Re: YouTube's ban leads to a record number of users uninstalling their ad-blockers

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Post by KingOfCoders »

matthewfelgate wrote: post #17
malermeister wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They won't. The movie industry has been trying to stop piracy with technical measures forever. Things still get pirated. Every measure they take will be broken. They'll win over the masses, which is what they really care about. But they won't ever defeat the die-hards.

Netflix killed Torrents. Spotify killed Napster.

Netflix with account sharing has perhaps killed Torrents, which to me doesn't seem that different. People I know went from free torrents to free Netflix (or a "ok I'll pay your beer for letting me use your Netflix"). Now account sharing is out, Torrents will increase again.

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Post by dspillett »

fluoridation wrote: post #15

There's an argument to be made that a site that permits ad blockers should command a higher price from advertisers than one that forbids them, since a user who would use an ad blocker is the least likely user to ever click on an ad. If you're showing ads to a userbase that consists of a mix of users who would and wouldn't use an ad blocker if able to do it, then you're increasing your impressions by policy without in…

Depending on the way the site and its ads are presented, and which ad-blocked is in use, that argument often falls flat because the blocked adverts still get counted as delivered as they leave the relevant server and are blocked from rendering client-side.

Obviously this is not universally true (for example DNS based blocking stops the request for the ad content going through at all so if the counting is done at that point a blocked ad won't be counted) but a lot of in-browser blocks might see the blocked impression still counted.

Re: YouTube's ban leads to a record number of users uninstalling their ad-blockers

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Post by rascul »

matthewfelgate wrote: post #17
malermeister wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They won't. The movie industry has been trying to stop piracy with technical measures forever. Things still get pirated. Every measure they take will be broken. They'll win over the masses, which is what they really care about. But they won't ever defeat the die-hards.

Netflix killed Torrents. Spotify killed Napster.

Torrenting isn't dead and Spotify came years after the various lawsuits that killed Napster.

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Post by [deleted] »

fluoridation wrote: post #15

There's an argument to be made that a site that permits ad blockers should command a higher price from advertisers than one that forbids them, since a user who would use an ad blocker is the least likely user to ever click on an ad. If you're showing ads to a userbase that consists of a mix of users who would and wouldn't use an ad blocker if able to do it, then you're increasing your impressions by policy without in…

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Post by LandR »

suby wrote: post #20
LandR wrote: post #16

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This isn't working for me on Firefox / uBlock and Ubuntu :( I don't get the popup, but the video is just black and the play button does nothing.

Did you already hit their three strikes soft ban prior to updating the cache?

Possibly. I didn't know this was a thing!

Re: YouTube's ban leads to a record number of users uninstalling their ad-blockers

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Post by emptyfile »

matthewfelgate wrote: post #17
malermeister wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They won't. The movie industry has been trying to stop piracy with technical measures forever. Things still get pirated. Every measure they take will be broken. They'll win over the masses, which is what they really care about. But they won't ever defeat the die-hards.

Netflix killed Torrents. Spotify killed Napster.

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Re: YouTube's ban leads to a record number of users uninstalling their ad-blockers

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Post by passion__desire »

fluoridation wrote: post #15

There's an argument to be made that a site that permits ad blockers should command a higher price from advertisers than one that forbids them, since a user who would use an ad blocker is the least likely user to ever click on an ad. If you're showing ads to a userbase that consists of a mix of users who would and wouldn't use an ad blocker if able to do it, then you're increasing your impressions by policy without in…

Can we consider youtube as a publisher here? If yes, it is in favour of Google to display as many ads as possible.

https://blog.google/products/adsense/evolving-how-publishers...

Re: YouTube's ban leads to a record number of users uninstalling their ad-blockers

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Post by southernplaces7 »

Those of you defending youtube on this, have you actually tried watching anything on the site without ad blockers? It's not just that they serve you occasional, only moderately annoying ads as a subsidy for not paying, they do it in such an intrusively pervasive manner that it seems intentionally designed to make it nearly unusable. The sheer quantity of garbage interrupting your music or anything else you care to watch goes way beyond reasonable and right into the land of "fuck you until you pay".

It's downright shitty from a highly profitable company whose content volume is entirely created by other users themselves who in any case regularly get demonetized from the ads in their own content for all sorts of arbitrary X and Y bullshit reasons, to the point that those running most of my favorite channels don't even make anything from the very same ads that youtube crams down everyone elses throats.

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