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After a $1.8B verdict, the clock is ticking on the 6% realtor commission

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#101

There's an article I've been meaning to write for a while called Death to the Salesmen. I've spent a large part of my career working on products for insurance agents, real estate agents, and car salesmen. My experience has left me with one conclusion: we should eliminate most of these jobs. They're about as predatory toward the customer as they come, adding little value in most cases. There are certainly cases where…

They’re also a huge part of the economy.

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#102
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The next batch of YC startups named things like “Turnkey” and “Realify” will do it for $499

I used to scoff at entrants into the space because I thought something valuable was being disrupted. Then my agent let me get 90% through a sale before - "surprise" - such and such construction is required prior to closing due to recent statute in this town. I had to haggle DOWN to 6% to enjoy effectively no representation or understanding of the market I was selling into. If this industry is disrupted, even if by ch…

People forget just how terrible the Taxi industry was before Uber showed up too. Uber has plenty of problems, but you can be in the Taxi in 5 minutes and there are no surprise fees and you don't need to carry cash and you don't have to sit on hold for 20 minutes waiting for the dispatcher to pick up. The old taxi industry killed itself. Once there was any alternative it was dead.

Re: After a $1.8B verdict, the clock is ticking on the 6% realtor commission

#103

Lots of people hating on realtors here, but my buying realtor: - Put up with me through several offers that fell through due to issues with the house - Met me quickly several times to see houses in a very hot market (covid) - Constantly found me homes that met my criteria - Was able to "get the dirt" on the homes and give me good advice for the homes that fell through, not pressuring me to buy And my selling realtor,…

Is what you’re talking about worth… $10k? Or the likely $100k you paid?

Re: After a $1.8B verdict, the clock is ticking on the 6% realtor commission

#104

Lots of people hating on realtors here, but my buying realtor: - Put up with me through several offers that fell through due to issues with the house - Met me quickly several times to see houses in a very hot market (covid) - Constantly found me homes that met my criteria - Was able to "get the dirt" on the homes and give me good advice for the homes that fell through, not pressuring me to buy And my selling realtor,…

That's all great. And nobody's saying don't pay realtors for their work. They're saying, certainly don't pay them 6%, and preferably not a percentage at all. Just pay them like a contractor or anyone else you hire -- either a flat fee or by the hour, depending on the exact services.

I think they’d love to be paid a flat fee or by hour, regardless of whether the transaction goes through or not, just like restaurant staff being well paid and not rely on tip. But such is the commission world and have no idea how it all came to be this way.

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Okay so that's a good service. Is that worth $20,000? $40,000? I'd love to pay by the hour for service. There aren't many such realtors.

Well, you're paying TWO realtors. Buyer and seller, so it's really half that. But yeah, I would say $10k is a pretty sweet deal in a lot of cases.

$10k is 6% of $166k. Not many homes selling for that now a days.

The median home sale price in June was $426k. Or $25.6k of commission.

Typical Sunnyvale prices were about 2.4million, or $144k commission.

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#106
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The job of the appraiser is to demonstrate to the bank signing a mortgage that the deal isn't a scam. If a house would reasonably be sold for $250k, but the buyer is buying at $2 million, there's probably some very good questions that need to be asked about where the money is going. On the other hand, if an appraiser can demonstrate that: - properties with similar features have been sold in a similar price range in s…

The last deal I did, the appraiser asked me (the buyer) if I was okay with the appraisal, or wanted a different number.

Getting out of PMI, the appraiser asked “what number do you need to get to?”

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#107
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I find that it's very similar to mob tactics. Prospective homeowners just get passed and funneled from person to person that they effectively have no choice but to interact with. And each of those people take a piece of the pie.

And there are a lot of fear tactics used as well. Or FUD, at least. "Don't skip the inspection, what if something is wrong" sounds sensible but pre-purchase home inspections are quite surface level, will only find visible, obvious problems, and in the fine print they disclaim responsibility if they miss anything.

I've had good inspectors who point out everything wrong with a place. I cancelled offers based on their reports. Recently, however, I was on the way to the inspection and had a flat tire, so I was late, both seller and buyer agents were there with the inspector and my agent made sure to tell a different inspector what questions I had from the previous one, and completely missed on the inspection report that the outdoor electrical socket did not have GFCI and it actually had visible burn marks on the paint, also they didn't report that there was no carbon monoxide detector. Just very basic stuff that should be addressed before the transaction is finalized and is part of the negotiation and can lower your price some when the seller doesn't want to fix everything. I suspect that my agent implied that I was putting a lot of stock into their report and pushing him to minimize issues while I wasn't there.

The good inspectors told me about a condo loft that had plumbing issues throughout, probably a $5000 repair, and at a house, a sagging pier and beam foundation causing all sorts of problems.

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#108
If a buyer’s agent gets any percentage of a sale, the buyer’s agent and the buyer have misaligned interests. They might ‘represent’ the buyer, but the buyer’s agent has the same economic incentives as the seller (higher price, faster sale, fewer contingencies).

Re: After a $1.8B verdict, the clock is ticking on the 6% realtor commission

#110

Now we just need an explanation of how the hell appraisers come up with their numbers. Not only is it functionally useless to ask someone to measure fair market value of an asset that already has someone offering to buy it at a specific price, the appraisals seem to come in ridiculously close to offer price every time. I've had to deal with around 8 appraisals over the years as buyer or seller, I only had one that di…

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