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Re: Home Assistant blocked from integrating with Garage Door opener API

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Post by CodeWriter23 »

NavinF wrote: post #513
TeMPOraL wrote: post #499

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The problem should be inverted - use the package tracking number as code. This way, every code is unique, hard to guess, and the delivery person has it literally printed on the box. Being able to update the lock with expected tracking numbers is something that could be done simply and via local network.

> could be done simply and via local network This is fairly complicated to do locally and securely. If any e-commerce website/app could add tracking numbers as PINs to your smart lock via the local network, that would be a security nightmare. You'd also have to provision domains for every smart lock so that every lock can get Let's Encrypt certs and accept requests from web browsers without configuration. Not to ment…

It’s not complicated at all. I get shipment notification from Amazon, tap in, copy tracking then paste into browser interface of iot thingy. I think you might be one of those guys who types 500 lines of code when 50 will do the job.

Re: Home Assistant blocked from integrating with Garage Door opener API

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Post by TeMPOraL »

NavinF wrote: post #527
TeMPOraL wrote: post #522

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I know; but I was surprised about implied lack of ubiquity of the kind of lockers that are massively deployed where I live.

They're ubiquitous, but few prefer them over the convenience of delivery to the doorstep. Buyers are never responsible for missing packages so there's little incentive to use lockers unless you're buying a secret gift or live in a very sketchy neighborhood or your home is so far from the warehouses that same-day delivery is only available at the locker

I was going to counter it, but I guess same-day delivery is what makes this different from my experience. As a buyer, I'm incentivized to not miss packages, because I've already waited between 2 to 7 days for it, and I don't fancy doubling that time over a delivery dispute. But if my packages were all same-day delivered, I suppose I would give less of a damn.

Re: Home Assistant blocked from integrating with Garage Door opener API

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Post by CodeWriter23 »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #499
NavinF wrote: post #482

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You still need an API for getting new codes. If you're willing to switch apps and manually generate a new code every time you order something online, you likely don't order often enough to be relevant to any e-commerce company

The problem should be inverted - use the package tracking number as code. This way, every code is unique, hard to guess, and the delivery person has it literally printed on the box. Being able to update the lock with expected tracking numbers is something that could be done simply and via local network.

*this is the right answer. Maybe a $2 camera at the keypad to scan the tracking.

Re: Home Assistant blocked from integrating with Garage Door opener API

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Post by [deleted] »

godelski wrote: post #518
judge2020 wrote: post #429

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What would beat it? Who is buying garage door openers?

Apartments? Businesses? Yeah, Chamberlain only sells garage door openers BUT Chamberlain Group[0] owns Chamberlain, LiftMaster, Merlin, and Grifco (I think they missed a "t" there). Literally the bottom of the Chamberlain website reads > The Chamberlain Group LLC, the corporate parent company to LiftMaster, Chamberlain, Merlin and Grifco, is a global leader in access solutions and products. __We design and engineer r…

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Re: Home Assistant blocked from integrating with Garage Door opener API

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Post by 20after4 »

nvy wrote: post #278
MadnessASAP wrote: post #203

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My wife doesn't understand what I do on the computer all the time and she's pretty doubtful of my claim that server racks are normal household items. Nevertheless setting up the HA app on her phone with a Wireguard VPN was super simple and she's got a good handle on that. That being said, setting up the HA and Wireguard server is definitely a more demanding experience. Although once setup it's pretty much a once and…

>she's pretty doubtful of my claim that server racks are normal household items. Haha, she's got you there.

Racks of gear are completely normal if you're a serious musician or computer user.

Re: Home Assistant blocked from integrating with Garage Door opener API

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Post by sbarre »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #529
tzs wrote: post #524

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> Amazon expects me to weaken my physical security posture to help them defend against an activity I don't engage in and is in no way my responsibility? Most people get quite irked when someone steals their Amazon package between the time it was left at their door and the time they actually try to get the package. Hence for most people who occasionally receive Amazon packages when no one is home to quickly take it in…

> I'm not sure that would work. If the home locker was not very heavy or very securely attached to something immovable package thieves would just steal the lockers. How expensive pouring some concrete into a small hole in the ground would be? Or would this become real estate then, or otherwise require a construction permit?

Renters would not be able to do this.

Re: Home Assistant blocked from integrating with Garage Door opener API

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Post by xp84 »

LeifCarrotson wrote: post #403
judge2020 wrote: post #382

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Okay, but the adoption rate of "let me create a code for my packages and give it to the Amazon person" is perhaps two or three orders of magnitude lower than if Amazon shows a bunch of call-to-actions for "link your myQ account for secure deliveries".

And if Chaimberlain charges Amazon $0.50 per door opened to enable that feature (which steers buyers towards Amazon and away from the manufacturer website, Walmart/target/eBay/random competitor that doesn't have that feature) that might be a bigger, recurring, higher-margin revenue stream than all of Chaimberlain's traditional manufacturing profits. Which would you rather have - $200 revenue for a $100 cost once in 2…

That sounds plausible in theory, but it's still pretty weird to me though because Home Assistant is exclusively the domain of home automation geeks. There isn't even an off-the-shelf turnkey device to get into the ecosystem, you have to know what computers are (including scary things like "operating system" and "IP address") to even get started.

I don't know what Chamberlain has to gain by sticking it to that particular demo. For HA to be a threat to the "partnerships" like Amazon, it would have to have an audience sizeable enough that Amazon would consider incentivizing adoption.

I would say it seems dumb to piss off the most passionate fans of home automation when you're a vendor of equipment that such people might want to buy, but Chamberlain has such a stranglehold on the market that I think they figure that even if they royally piss off that 5% of the garage door opener market, those suckers (or their garage door installers) will be forced to buy the gear from them anyway.

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Post by bcassedy »

godelski wrote: post #502
gambiting wrote: post #475

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As if amazon drivers read the notes. I once left a giant note saying in capital letters "DO NOT RING DOORBELL, SLEEPING BABY AT HOME" and of course the absolute knobhead from Amazon had to ring the doorbell. Literally never shouted at anyone in my life before this.

A few times I've left a very big note that says "PLEASE KNOCK LOUDLY" while sitting in my livingroom facing the door just to never see the UPS or FedEx delivery person approach but get a text message about "no one responding" so they reschedule the pickup (and I can't pick it up at the hub a few miles down the road because it's closed...). One time I chased a driver who literally just threw a note on my door (no sign…

I've watched the Fedex truck pull up to my house and the guy walk up to the door and slap a sticker on it for missed delivery. Didn't even bother to bring the box, knock, or ring the bell despite my car being in the driveway.

Re: Home Assistant blocked from integrating with Garage Door opener API

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Post by jacquesm »

bluGill wrote: post #284
tech_ken wrote: post #280

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So you're saying that retailers will pay Chamberlain to act as more or less a clearinghouse for package deliveries in my garage, and that in order to successfully operate this model Chamberlain needs to funnel all users through their proprietary channels in order to fully vet the delivery transaction? Or at least to prevent HA users from nibbling at Chamberlain's lunch with DIY equivalents? Do you think that they wil…

For retailers I want someone to verify that they are legitimate. I don't want random people in my garage. If someone enters my garage when I'm not home they better really be agents for WalMart/Amazon/target/UPS (as opposed to WolMort/Amozan/targit/USP...) , and whatever company does that does background checks on drivers. Probably they also need to have other cameras in their vehicles so that drivers trying to steal…

The last thing I need is for the people that I do not know to have unchaperoned access to my garage.

Re: Home Assistant blocked from integrating with Garage Door opener API

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Post by NavinF »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #532
NavinF wrote: post #527

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They're ubiquitous, but few prefer them over the convenience of delivery to the doorstep. Buyers are never responsible for missing packages so there's little incentive to use lockers unless you're buying a secret gift or live in a very sketchy neighborhood or your home is so far from the warehouses that same-day delivery is only available at the locker

I was going to counter it, but I guess same-day delivery is what makes this different from my experience. As a buyer, I'm incentivized to not miss packages, because I've already waited between 2 to 7 days for it, and I don't fancy doubling that time over a delivery dispute. But if my packages were all same-day delivered, I suppose I would give less of a damn.

Well not all of them, but I'd say half my packages are delivered same-day in the bay area and most of the rest are 1 day. It depends on your shopping habits and what products are popular in your area. "essentials" like cables, snacks, batteries, hot sauce, etc are always same-day while large items like microscopes can take 2 days

Regarding missed packages, are you talking about stolen packages? I've had a few cases where delivery was one day late and one time I got the wrong order (but got to keep the free groceries along with a full refund for my actual order) but I've never had a package just disappear altogether. Even Aliexpress orders that take 2-4 weeks from China eventually show up.

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