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Home Assistant blocked from integrating with Garage Door opener API

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Re: Home Assistant blocked from integrating with Garage Door opener API

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Post by jasonjayr »

seanalltogether wrote: post #416
jasonjayr wrote: post #362

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7. insecure, opaque devices that have always-on internet connections, that owners cannot upgrade/fix/defend against and require external actors to protect (ISP's blackholing bad traffic) Remember, the S in IoT is for Security. They could simplify their business logic by making sure local first is reliable, and internet access can be turned off, and supporting vendors making (user-controlled, upgradeable, etc) gateway…

I don't disagree with you, since the company I work for supports both local network access to their devices as well as cloud access for when you are outside the home. But supporting both does not simplify business logic, it increases complexity. It introduces more states and failure points that your firmware devs and app devs need to account for.

I appreciate your response, and don't want to go too far off the thread here, but as a software developer/architect myself, how can that possibly be true?

The state of the environment that the IoT device is sensing or controlling, has to match local reality. Therefore, the state that's actually on the IoT's MCU is the true state that matters. (Any state stored cloud-side could be stale if the MCU is disconnected, or misses updates) Ergo, if the cloud service is showing or manipulating the state of the IoT device, it has to read or command the IoT in near realtime, implying some kind of constant/realtime connection.

This would be the same mechanism a local-first connection would use, right? What am I missing here?

Re: Home Assistant blocked from integrating with Garage Door opener API

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Post by spdustin »

dfxm12 wrote: post #436
SoftTalker wrote: post #352

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Many people already have a keypad mounted outside that will open the garage door. You can set up a guest code there and give to Amazon, or anyone you want. There is zero need for internet-enabled smartness in the garage door opener here.

I gave amazon my code for a Christmas present that absolutely could not have been stolen from my porch (as many other recently had). As a working man, I couldn't sit at home to wait for it. I was a little nervous, but I have cameras at least. I then removed all reference to this code from my account. Then, one driver entered while I was going about my day in there and saw me waiting with a hockey stick, as I was wond…

If you've ever added "delivery notes" to an order, they're automatically shared with every subsequent order. Clear out the delivery notes on your next order.

Re: Home Assistant blocked from integrating with Garage Door opener API

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Post by barryrandall »

SpicyLemonZest wrote: post #449
scrps wrote: post #447

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Amazon expects me to weaken my physical security posture to help them defend against an activity I don't engage in and is in no way my responsibility? AND Chamberlain expects me to weaken my digital security posture so they can run some opaque crap on my network¹ that I have very little observability into and even less control over so they can make money? Money is one hell of a drug because they are high. How about a…

They're building and deploying those boxes through the Amazon Hub program. There's no single-family size yet though.

That's still an Amazon problem.

Re: Home Assistant blocked from integrating with Garage Door opener API

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Post by skywhopper »

404mm wrote: post #165

I don’t understand how the MyQ app has such a high rating in the App Store. 4.8, 1.5M reviews. It’s so bare bones, no shortcut support, (obviously) no HomeKit, no widget, literally nothing to make the use easier or more convenient. To make things even worse, first position above you devices is an ad (for their other devices) and it periodically suggests that I connect it to Amazon so some random people delivering pac…

Fake reviews.

Re: Home Assistant blocked from integrating with Garage Door opener API

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Post by bryanthompson »

Of all the IoT contraptions and ecosystems, I hate garage door openers the most. My opener came with some sort of goofy base unit where you can hit the "close door" button and it'll sound an alarm, trigger close, and then the happy little LED shows you that it is indeed, closed.

My solution, after looking into every off-the-shelf option, was to take an esp32 running esp32home + Home Assistant and hot wire it to buttons and status LEDs on a remote + base unit and stick it on the shelf in the garage. It's not pretty, but it works reliably.

Re: Home Assistant blocked from integrating with Garage Door opener API

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Post by jacquesm »

borski wrote: post #422
jacquesm wrote: post #209

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I'm happy to not have one of their devices but if they did this after I had installed it based on the fact that it works with HA then I'd definitely sue them for breach of contract or whatever else I can think of or to get a full refund. What a shit move to pull on your existing customers.

It was $30. I highly doubt it’s worth it, unfortunately.

It's not about the amount, even though you are right that it isn't worth it, it's about the principle of being screwed after you're on-board.

Re: Home Assistant blocked from integrating with Garage Door opener API

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Post by whoopdedo »

cyberax wrote: post #290
whoopdedo wrote: post #245

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A stressed out underpaid and overworked delivery driver is the last person I want in my garage. Verified deliveries are left at the wrong house, or the driver simply takes it with them after posting the porch picture. And I've seen boxes arrive that were forced open and the contents pulled out. But sure, it's the customers who are untrustworthy not the delivery people.

> A stressed out underpaid and overworked delivery driver is the last person I want in my garage. Verified deliveries are left at the wrong house It doesn't work like this. Delivery workers use an app that opens the door, so if they are at a wrong location, it will be immediately apparent.

My point is Amazon is blaming customers for fraud when it's the fault of a delivery mistake such as dropping the package at the wrong address. Or the drivers themselves stealing the packages.

Re: Home Assistant blocked from integrating with Garage Door opener API

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Post by SoftTalker »

Is there not an open-source alternative to this?

A garage door opener can be activated from the inside with a momentary pushbutton switch. It should be trivially easy to have a Raspberry Pi or similar wired in parallel, and have that running some code to enable remote operation by an app or service.

Re: Home Assistant blocked from integrating with Garage Door opener API

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Post by rvba »

spdustin wrote: post #452
dfxm12 wrote: post #436

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I gave amazon my code for a Christmas present that absolutely could not have been stolen from my porch (as many other recently had). As a working man, I couldn't sit at home to wait for it. I was a little nervous, but I have cameras at least. I then removed all reference to this code from my account. Then, one driver entered while I was going about my day in there and saw me waiting with a hockey stick, as I was wond…

If you've ever added "delivery notes" to an order, they're automatically shared with every subsequent order. Clear out the delivery notes on your next order.

I cannot change my delivery address on amazon.

I once bought a book delivered to a company (where I dont work anymore) and this address cannot be deleted. Multi billion company. LOL

On a side note, Amazon's interface is so much worse than Allegro

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