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The problem isn't inflation. It's prices. What goes up may not come down

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Re: The problem isn't inflation. It's prices. What goes up may not come down

#51

The problem isn't water, it's drowning. The problem isn't obesity, it's calories. The problem isn't expenses, it's income. Inflation is literally defined as prices rises in response to increase in currency....

Inflation has multiple definitions. The layman one has nothing to do with currency supply level.

Re: The problem isn't inflation. It's prices. What goes up may not come down

#52

Basic macroeconomics: Inflation decreases, retailers begin lower prices to increase sales. There's a delay between all of this. This process happens over 1-2 years, much slower than prices going up. This does not happen in a market with monopolies however, which is why it is vital to lower the barrier of entry into markets (decreasing stupid regulations that get "exceptions" in the real world), or use FTC or other st…

That's not basic macroeconomics, it's wrong. Disinflation is not the same thing as deflation.

PSA: whenever someone calls a concept "basic economics", don't just take their word for it.

Re: The problem isn't inflation. It's prices. What goes up may not come down

#53
I've seen twitter comments with more intellectual value.

We should prioritize basic economics and basic mathematics in education, even for people who will go on to get humanities degrees and write for Vox (about business & economics, no less).

Someone who doesn't understand how multiplication and inflation works should not be allowed anywhere near a big news publication.

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Re: The problem isn't inflation. It's prices. What goes up may not come down

#54

The problem isn't water, it's drowning. The problem isn't obesity, it's calories. The problem isn't expenses, it's income. Inflation is literally defined as prices rises in response to increase in currency....

> Inflation is literally defined as prices rises in response to increase in currency....

No it's not. When Friedman said that "inflation is always a monetary phenomenon" he was saying that inflation is caused by a mismatch of money supply and economic capacity. You fix inflation by tweaking the money supply, but the cause may have been either the supply or capacity side.

And since when did an economic theory become part of the definition? Inflation is an old word that far predates Friedman or the central currency system.

Re: The problem isn't inflation. It's prices. What goes up may not come down

#55

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There is a reason corporate price gouging takes place when you see inflation narrative in the media. This is the only opportunity where people accept an increase in prices that sticks around. You raise the prices of eggs on a normal day, people will stop buying your eggs. You raise the prices of eggs when everyone is talking about inflation, people will accept it and focus on everything else.

Can you provide several strong examples of corporate price gouging showing up in public financial results (where we can see some evidence of it, instead of just empty claims)? I've yet to see any proof of it. Margins haven't skyrocketed on food products for example. Kroger still has horrible retailer margins. Prices at CVS and Walgreens have soared, their business margins are still horrible in retail. Kroger's gross…

Easier to blame the big bad bankers/capitalists/CEOs than to look in the mirror and blame oneself for voting in unsustainable policies.

Re: The problem isn't inflation. It's prices. What goes up may not come down

#56
post #6

That people do not understand very basic concepts is scary. > The root of what’s going on here can feel obvious: blame inflation, which picked up in mid-2021 and throughout 2022. But that isn’t really the issue anymore, at least not at the current rate, because inflation is coming down. The actual problem here is prices. Inflation going from 10% to 5% is "inflation is coming down" - but it means that prices are risin…

There is a reason corporate price gouging takes place when you see inflation narrative in the media. This is the only opportunity where people accept an increase in prices that sticks around. You raise the prices of eggs on a normal day, people will stop buying your eggs. You raise the prices of eggs when everyone is talking about inflation, people will accept it and focus on everything else.

This narrative assumes that everyone is a mindless robot who believes everything that they're told. There is some degree of truth to this, but for the most part, prices are set by supply and demand. Egg prices rose because the avian flu killed off a significant percentage of chickens. They have since fallen back now to normal. The same thing happens to gas.

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Re: The problem isn't inflation. It's prices. What goes up may not come down

#57
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> In theory supply and demand should force prices back down over time, but ongoing consolidation/monopolies/backdoor price fixing (RealPage, Amazon Marketplace) kinda broke the efficient market stuff. One way this could happen is if salaries increased to match the new prices over time. The issue is that we are not seeing that happening, prices are increasing much faster than salaries, while corporate profits break re…

In any inflationary environment, corporate profits should be expected to regularly break records (in nominal terms) just like GDP should be expected to regularly break records.

Break nominal records, yes, not to break record margins.

Re: The problem isn't inflation. It's prices. What goes up may not come down

#58
post #6

That people do not understand very basic concepts is scary. > The root of what’s going on here can feel obvious: blame inflation, which picked up in mid-2021 and throughout 2022. But that isn’t really the issue anymore, at least not at the current rate, because inflation is coming down. The actual problem here is prices. Inflation going from 10% to 5% is "inflation is coming down" - but it means that prices are risin…

From my POV it feels like every near-essential good has slow but steady inflationary effect and everyone just sort of accepts it: * health care * housing * cars * food It's hard not to feel like these markets each manifest a collective behavior of, "we know we're essential, so we are free to set prices as we wish because you have no real alternatives." It benefits all the players to play along, you don't even need to…

> housing

Were you not around in the US (and many other places) in 2008-10? Prices can definitely fall.

Re: The problem isn't inflation. It's prices. What goes up may not come down

#59
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Where is the evidence?

Not OP, but where I _may_ agree with the sentiment is that inflation has a wide distribution of impact by the underlying category of goods/services. e.g. food, energy, electricity, shelter, apparel, etc. Namely, even if average / median inflation is going down, inflation is still non-zero - and even still very high - in categories that significantly impact lower-income households, urban families, farmers, etc.

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Re: The problem isn't inflation. It's prices. What goes up may not come down

#60

The problem isn't water, it's drowning. The problem isn't obesity, it's calories. The problem isn't expenses, it's income. Inflation is literally defined as prices rises in response to increase in currency....

It's not that, though. The problem isn't prices, it's the perception of prices. People aren't looking at prices as a percent of their income, they're looking at them compared to 2019 benchmarks. It's also very uneven. Thinks people want to do because of pent-up pandemic demand are the very things are expensive. The used gym equipment market is pretty good right now.
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