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Home Assistant blocked from integrating with Garage Door opener API

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Re: Home Assistant blocked from integrating with Garage Door opener API

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Post by SoftTalker »

abustamam wrote: post #304
kelnos wrote: post #292

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> as already pointed out, most people have an unlocked door from the garage to the house Not sure where you live, but every house I've lived in (USA, a few different states) during my entire life has had an exterior-quality door with exterior-quality lock, including deadbolt, between the house and garage. In the one house I lived in that had a security system, that garage-to-interior door was also wired into the syst…

I think parent comment was saying the door exists, but many people leave it unlocked. I grew up leaving that garage-interior door open because that's where we put the litter box, at several different houses.

Yep, agree. I only lock the garage interior door when I'll be gone for an extended period of time (more than a few days).

Re: Home Assistant blocked from integrating with Garage Door opener API

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Post by SoftTalker »

Nextgrid wrote: post #328
bluGill wrote: post #284

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For retailers I want someone to verify that they are legitimate. I don't want random people in my garage. If someone enters my garage when I'm not home they better really be agents for WalMart/Amazon/target/UPS (as opposed to WolMort/Amozan/targit/USP...) , and whatever company does that does background checks on drivers. Probably they also need to have other cameras in their vehicles so that drivers trying to steal…

But that can be achieved by giving the retailer a one-off access code/secret which will be handed to the delivery driver by the retailer's company? At no point does "preventing random people in your garage" required a greedy middleman in the path between you and whoever you want to give your garage door access code.

Many people already have a keypad mounted outside that will open the garage door. You can set up a guest code there and give to Amazon, or anyone you want. There is zero need for internet-enabled smartness in the garage door opener here.

Re: Home Assistant blocked from integrating with Garage Door opener API

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Post by paledot »

Nextgrid wrote: post #330
efitz wrote: post #318

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They are afraid a potential partner will use the automation meant for customers. This is just more enshittification in order to exploit revenue channels other than direct sales.

> They are afraid a potential partner will use the automation meant for customers. But isn't the door property of the customer? In this case it is perfectly the customer's choice and right if they want to use the customer-facing API to let a delivery company in.

> But isn't the door property of the customer?

Not anymore. Now I get to pay $5/mo for IFTTT integration, after paying the premium for the WiFi-enabled version of the same device.

Re: Home Assistant blocked from integrating with Garage Door opener API

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Post by lxe »

Why hasn't a non-crappy iot/smart hardware line and ecosystem emerged after years and years of "internet of shit" catastrophes such as this one? So many angry users are a market ripe for capturing, aren't they? Or maybe there aren't as many angry ones as it seems, and it's just a small portion of power users?

Re: Home Assistant blocked from integrating with Garage Door opener API

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Post by phil21 »

fnordpiglet wrote: post #287
dboreham wrote: post #260

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In US homes the garage is often a way to access the house with minimal security between the two.

That’s not true, the garage typically has a full outdoor door with standard security (dead bolts, wired into the security system) the same as any other door as the interface door between the garage and the house. This is a code thing for a variety of reasons but primarily because the outdoor door is weatherized and provides a barrier against CO, but also for the precise reason that the garage door is not considered s…

It's functionally true. Thinking off the top of my head I can come up with at least a dozen examples growing up of friends w/ these doors. Not a single one was ever locked. Most of the time w/ school-age kids they would be left purposefully unlocked so the kids could let themselves in after school w/ the garage door PIN code.

I honestly can't think of a single person I know who routinely locks those doors.

Re: Home Assistant blocked from integrating with Garage Door opener API

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Post by sedatk »

lxe wrote: post #355

Why hasn't a non-crappy iot/smart hardware line and ecosystem emerged after years and years of "internet of shit" catastrophes such as this one? So many angry users are a market ripe for capturing, aren't they? Or maybe there aren't as many angry ones as it seems, and it's just a small portion of power users?

Ubiquiti is one, but they’re mostly enterprise oriented.

Re: Home Assistant blocked from integrating with Garage Door opener API

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Post by pkulak »

lxe wrote: post #355

Why hasn't a non-crappy iot/smart hardware line and ecosystem emerged after years and years of "internet of shit" catastrophes such as this one? So many angry users are a market ripe for capturing, aren't they? Or maybe there aren't as many angry ones as it seems, and it's just a small portion of power users?

ZWave. It a closed system, with hardware licensing, all that stuff. But it offers local control, at all times, exclusively. Zigbee is the fully-open version, but as such it's not a "hardware line" like ZWave is.

Re: Home Assistant blocked from integrating with Garage Door opener API

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Post by scottlamb »

ratgdo looks really nice! I've been controlling my garage door via dry contact on my Elk security system [1] and monitoring the door status via a separate rolling door reed sensor. [2] But from following the ratgdo link, I learned that my "Security+ 1.0" garage door opener has a RS-232 interface with a protocol that will tell you about door status and obstructions. That's better!

I just clicked ratgdo's buy link to support the nice, well-documented open-source [3] project. In truth though I have the right hardware sitting around here already, so I might just use that depending on how long the "back ordered" status lasts...

[1] There's a Home Assistant integration for the Elk M1 Gold with some Python library; I also have my own WIP Rust library for interacting with it here: https://github.com/scottlamb/elkm1>

[2] something like this one: https://www.amazon.com/Gebildet-Security-Rolling-Magnetic-Ap...

[3] docs at https://paulwieland.github.io/ratgdo/> but the actual code is in a separate repo at https://github.com/ratgdo/esphome-ratgdo>

Re: Home Assistant blocked from integrating with Garage Door opener API

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Post by nfriedly »

nunez wrote: post #162

I wrote the below in another post on this topic: They never technically allowed it in the first place. Homebridge and Home Assistant used a popular Python library that reverse-engineered the MyQ API from the Android app. Many companies couldn't care less until abuse ramps up, but given that Chamberlain (Blackstone-owned) has gone into rent-seeking mode all of a sudden (or an incident happened that they won't disclose…

> Many companies couldn't care less until abuse ramps up

I think "abuse" is the wrong word here. I'm just trying to automate my garage door. If there was a way to do that over my local network, without touching their servers, then they'd never see any traffic from me.

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