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US Smartphone Shipments Decline 19% in Q3 2023 as More Americans Delay Upgrade

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Re: US Smartphone Shipments Decline 19% in Q3 2023 as More Americans Delay Upgrade

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Post by InCityDreams »

reportingsjr wrote: post #18
beretguy wrote: post #8

I bought refurbished iPhone SE 2nd gen from eBay for ~$130 in July 2023. Looks brand new. I use Chargie to extend battery life and a magnetic charging port adapter to eliminate charging port wear. When battery will wear out I’ll replace it with the one from iFixit. Let’s see for how long I can make this device last. https://chargie.org/

That chargie device is interesting! The latest versions of Android and iOS have finally built in battery management that does basically the same thing (they will not rapid charge over night, and will sometimes limit charge below 100%). I'm curious to see long term how much these changes will help.

Android, Samsung lower mid-range phone: set to maximum 85% charge thru the OS was a nice find in the menu.

Re: US Smartphone Shipments Decline 19% in Q3 2023 as More Americans Delay Upgrade

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Post by add-sub-mul-div »

hospitalJail wrote: post #4

This is why I continue to be bullish on Apple. Apple is the only company that has been able to turn a smartphone into 'Nike Jordans'. They had people waiting outside at midnight, they have people buying the phone for the logo, they have people buying the phone for the location of the cameras. In the short term, I only see Apple as the company that does well during this next bumpy economy. Everyone else is selling pho…

That's a weird bubble people have put themselves in, but isn't a rough economy going to have the opposite effect, that people will take a harder look and realize it's all marketing BS and phones are all pretty much the same now? In other words, it's expensive to let yourself be taken in by the idea of a possession being a status symbol so it's one of the first thing to go when it stops making sense.

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Post by Mistletoe »

hospitalJail wrote: post #4

This is why I continue to be bullish on Apple. Apple is the only company that has been able to turn a smartphone into 'Nike Jordans'. They had people waiting outside at midnight, they have people buying the phone for the logo, they have people buying the phone for the location of the cameras. In the short term, I only see Apple as the company that does well during this next bumpy economy. Everyone else is selling pho…

I don’t think I could be more in disagreement and Apple’s third straight quarter of falling sales seems to support that. At some point everyone has a phone that is good enough and no one cares what phone you have. I feel the same way about Tesla now and see a lot of parallels. I sold mine and I really don’t see it as the status symbol it used to be. There are lots of Teslas around, they even look kind of dated now. And who wants to be associated with Elon or the tons of lame people that just got a Tesla as a status symbol? I’m looking with anticipation at the new Volvo EX30 EV that starts at 35k.

I can see something similar happening with phones except a new iPhone has no revolutionary technology like an EV does to entice someone. My iPhone 12 Mini works awesome and will be pried out of my cold dead hands, since they have stopped making small phones.

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Post by hehx »

ronnier wrote: post #13

Phones are feature complete. No huge compelling reason to upgrade. If you work for a living then it makes no sense to spend money on upgrading if you already have a relatively newish phone

I read somewhere its similar to the singer sewing machine story.

They kept adding new features every year but once most people who had a sewing machine sales tanked.

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Post by beretguy »

bobmaxup wrote: post #26

Probably because they are still paying off their other phones https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/CCLACBW027SBOG

There were rumors of having smartphones be on subscription.

https://www.tomsguide.com/news/iphone-subscription-service

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Post by panick21_ »

cabirum wrote: post #52
izacus wrote: post #33

Note the negative tone about having our phones actually work longer, last longer and be usable longer without draining our money just to keep the threadmill rolling. Imagine how pissed the car industry must be now since most people drive cars for 10-15 years instead of replacing them once per few years like iPhones.

That is what EVs are for. Replace the battery every few years and replace your car whenever a new incompatible plug standard comes out.

Except in actual reality EV battereis are pretty damn reliable and plugs are pretty standardized and wont change much at all for at least a decade or more.

In Europe is already standard. The US will switch to NACS but that's what most cars sold in the US already had and by 1-2 years from now all new cars will be NACS.

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Post by blindriver »

This is the first year I haven't upgraded my phone in at least 2 years since the early 2000s. My iPhone 13 Pro is good enough and there's nothing compelling me to upgrade. Apple will have to do a lot better than that to convince me to upgrade my phone, and they haven't come up with a good reason yet.

Re: US Smartphone Shipments Decline 19% in Q3 2023 as More Americans Delay Upgrade

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Post by jeffbee »

cabirum wrote: post #52
izacus wrote: post #33

Note the negative tone about having our phones actually work longer, last longer and be usable longer without draining our money just to keep the threadmill rolling. Imagine how pissed the car industry must be now since most people drive cars for 10-15 years instead of replacing them once per few years like iPhones.

That is what EVs are for. Replace the battery every few years and replace your car whenever a new incompatible plug standard comes out.

Can we please not spread weird conspiracy theories? EV battery replacements are vanishingly rare and nobody is secretly pushing EVs as a way to punish the public.

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Post by beretguy »

Ajay-p wrote: post #56
beretguy wrote: post #8

I bought refurbished iPhone SE 2nd gen from eBay for ~$130 in July 2023. Looks brand new. I use Chargie to extend battery life and a magnetic charging port adapter to eliminate charging port wear. When battery will wear out I’ll replace it with the one from iFixit. Let’s see for how long I can make this device last. https://chargie.org/

I switched to wireless charging last year because I too feared wear and degradation of the charging port.

Heat generated during wireless charging degrades battery. That Chargie device also can stop charging if battery gets too hot.
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