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US Smartphone Shipments Decline 19% in Q3 2023 as More Americans Delay Upgrade

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Re: US Smartphone Shipments Decline 19% in Q3 2023 as More Americans Delay Upgrade

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I am unable to really afford an upgrade to my iPhone, still using the same model I bought at university ten years ago. It still works well, although it can be a little slow at times depending on the application that I am using. There is no value benefit to upgrading at this time.

For Android there may be for those who enjoy that operating system, but I do not enjoy Android so it is not a solution for me.

Re: US Smartphone Shipments Decline 19% in Q3 2023 as More Americans Delay Upgrade

#42

This is why I continue to be bullish on Apple. Apple is the only company that has been able to turn a smartphone into 'Nike Jordans'. They had people waiting outside at midnight, they have people buying the phone for the logo, they have people buying the phone for the location of the cameras. In the short term, I only see Apple as the company that does well during this next bumpy economy. Everyone else is selling pho…

This is absolutely the case for GenZ where they've ditched the hyper-individualism of my generation and tend to be far more conformist in nature.

Obviously it was always the case to some extent that the latest Apple gadget or Nike trainers were seen as trendy, but GenZ specifically seem to have taken this to a whole new level where it's actively damaging to one's self image not to have an iPhone or a nice pair of white Nike trainers.

Given this, perhaps the interesting question to ask is what has caused that change. Is it a counter reaction to the individualism preached by my generation, or is it social media putting the youth under more pressure than ever to conform? If it's the latter then it seems companies viewed as fashionable are likely to continue to take market share from competitors which are not. But if it's the former then perhaps this current obsession with having the latest iPhone will soon be replaced by people just wanting something basic that does what they need, but doesn't make a statement.

I think to be bullish on Apple I think you need to have an opinion on that.

Re: US Smartphone Shipments Decline 19% in Q3 2023 as More Americans Delay Upgrade

#43
post #25

I know a number of people, myself included, who have been waiting for the return of decent mid-range phones before getting a new one. Right now, there are very few options for people who want a reasonably sized phone, offering reasonably good performance, at a reasonably low cost, with reasonably good durability, with reasonably long software support, from a reasonably trustworthy manufacturer.

Just buy a new iPhone with a carrier subsidy, and use it for 4-6 years probably replacing the battery once during that time.

I’d say but refurbished from eBay.

Re: US Smartphone Shipments Decline 19% in Q3 2023 as More Americans Delay Upgrade

#44

I'm one of those individuals. My iPhone 12 Pro is working well. I can't see a reason to upgrade to the 15 Pro. My eyesight is going down the drain with age, so the only thing that might make me jump is getting a phone with a bigger screen.

I feel like 2020 has been a tipping point for smartphones. Since late 2020, most phones above $500 have nice display with a fast refresh rate and take decent photos in all conditions. The RAM and CPU are plenty good enough to check Google Maps or browse Reddit in bed.

I guess power users can look into foldables, but for the rest of us upgrading a phone that's less than 3 yo is only a marginal update. The prices are relatively high too, so it's hardly worth it.

Re: US Smartphone Shipments Decline 19% in Q3 2023 as More Americans Delay Upgrade

#45

This is why I continue to be bullish on Apple. Apple is the only company that has been able to turn a smartphone into 'Nike Jordans'. They had people waiting outside at midnight, they have people buying the phone for the logo, they have people buying the phone for the location of the cameras. In the short term, I only see Apple as the company that does well during this next bumpy economy. Everyone else is selling pho…

You have it backwards IMO, the only reason Apple is able to achieve this effect is because their phones are heads and shoulders above the rest in hardware quality and integration. Build it (well) and they will come

That is not true. Nothing Apple does say Samsung cannot repeat, heck these 2 specifically share quite a bit of hardware too, ie screens. In fact top of the line Samsung is more impressive to me, it manages to store whole chargeable pen in the body and is lighter than comparable Apple models.

There are much better sounding headphones/earplugs, ie Sennheiser.

Apple does fine products (and their share of fails), but their secret sauce is a mix of PR, timing, brilliant leadership, and tons of luck with ie that timing to market. Hardware quality is good, but that's true for literally everybody in the field and is definitely not the differentiating factor these days.

Re: US Smartphone Shipments Decline 19% in Q3 2023 as More Americans Delay Upgrade

#46
I’m on the 13 Pro Max and this year and last year I said, “I’ll get the new one if there’s a killer feature that I can’t live without,” and while USB-C could theoretically be that, as pathetic as that sounds, I can’t find any reason whatsoever so upgrade. I like the titanium color, but my phone hasn’t seen the light of day in years because of the case so even that doesn’t matter.

That USB-C though would be nice so I’d finally have only one cable needed.

Re: US Smartphone Shipments Decline 19% in Q3 2023 as More Americans Delay Upgrade

#49
post #13

Phones are feature complete. No huge compelling reason to upgrade. If you work for a living then it makes no sense to spend money on upgrading if you already have a relatively newish phone

The last couple of times I upgraded, bloat in maps navigation was reason enough to upgrade to a faster phone. I don't want a sluggish UI while driving. Hoping Google doesn't cram much more ads or junk into the maps app or Waze.
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