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You don't need to work on hard problems (2020)

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Re: You don't need to work on hard problems (2020)

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Is it true that their friends ghost after graduation? I thought they would have more contact through Snapchat etc. Do you have personal acquaintances who had that happen. Im older, 30s but I felt that friend contact really fell off after moving away from SF former room mates and startup friends.

Everyone I knew at uni stopped talking after a while.

Probably because they didn’t make any friendships or they were too shallow and time/distance killed them.

Re: You don't need to work on hard problems (2020)

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I also sometimes think most people could train to be an entry-level dev over a summer. Yet that seems demonstrably wrong. I wonder if it’s similar to how a musician can’t comprehend how I can barely hear a beat.

I train software engineers with the apprentice model, and it takes about 500 hours to train a person to be able to get hired as an entry level full stack engineer. Maybe not in today's market where even talented engineers are struggling. But over the last sixteen years I've trained sixteen engineers who all still work in the industry. I use TDD, a list of projects that gradually increase in difficulty, multiple langu…

I’m quite intrigued by the number of SWEs you’ve trained through an apprenticeship. I think there’s often this tension between those who have been trained at some university and now have a CS degree and those who have “learned on the job” or by some other means. I think that tension also exists elsewhere in other careers - it is not unique to software. I’d like to think the reality is more nuanced and complicated. Everyone has their preferences for learning. But I wish apprenticeships weren’t so undervalued and under appreciated. This is how we often trained specialized experts for thousands of years. I don’t mean to suggest it doesn’t have its own problems, but I think if it became more normalized it would be an overall positive change.

Re: You don't need to work on hard problems (2020)

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When you're young (think HS and college aged), difficulty seems indeed to be the "ultimate" prestige. If you're a musician, that means playing that most technically advanced piece flawlessly. If you're an athlete, that means raw ability like speed, strength, etc. If you're a mathematician, that means having a go at some unsolved/open problem. If you're in the military, that means joining the special forces or becomin…

"I never let my schooling get in the way of my education"

Re: You don't need to work on hard problems (2020)

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When you're young (think HS and college aged), difficulty seems indeed to be the "ultimate" prestige. If you're a musician, that means playing that most technically advanced piece flawlessly. If you're an athlete, that means raw ability like speed, strength, etc. If you're a mathematician, that means having a go at some unsolved/open problem. If you're in the military, that means joining the special forces or becomin…

>One thing I've noticed with young and ambitious employees, is that many need constant feedback. If they don't get any direct feedback immediately, they feel left out in the cold, and don't know how to react. It's an increasingly cold world and some young people may legit get zero feedback outside of work. Ghosted on dating scene, ghosted by the remaining friends post graduation, and now feeling ignored at work. Add…

Excellent insight. Let me add:

> Ghosted on dating scene, ghosted by the remaining friends post graduation, and now feeling ignored at work.

> Add on no third place to go to and how work is increasingly ceasing to be a second place with wfh and you just have a loneliness sandwich.

And all around them, a social media full of hucksters and fake personas that should how successful they are. Build something, and get inundated by infinite liars that have shipped your idea in 30 days and earned a billion dollar MMR, blessed with capacity to work 80 hours a week and come back for more.

Meanwhile these new people just want to feel they have a mark, any mark at all, in the world. Ever self doubting. Before the next layoff.

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The older I get, the more I blame the internet for most of our current societal ills. I am a Millennial, but a digital native no more.

Re: You don't need to work on hard problems (2020)

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I've always thought that people underestimate the mental acuity needed to find simple truths within complex systems and to use them to achieve useful results. Especially in academia, many professors, who are wedded to particular models, go so far as to dismiss simplicity without sufficient consideration. It was not always this way. Among the older philosophers, you can observe a strong affinity for simplicity. Figure…

Simplicity does surely survives better. But you clearly do have a biased picture on your head. That claim that current people value it less than ancient people is not only baseless, but quickly dismissable just by reading those genius you quote.

Consider this argument: what % of people are in "academia" these days vs the previous centuries out of their own volition? Right now, there is an incentive to go into college, and it so happens that all sorts of people participate in the knowledge-creation process. And a bulk of the people participating in academia - are they really there for the sake of curiosity, to the pursuit of truth, etc? I'd bet that an individual in the past had less societal incentives to come into intellectual/theoretical areas and hash needless theories. So my argument is definitely not baseless (although - it is debatable)

Re: You don't need to work on hard problems (2020)

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Top modern researchers/practitioners do seem to value simplicity heavily, but can't say the same for most. The propensity for misuse of abstraction/models/data/theories is pretty high from what I've seen. That's my view. You are free to disagree! PS: It is always better to rely on older sources for illustrations, because they have lived their life fully and you have documentation of their lives + effects of their eff…

Largely, it seems top modern researchers are able to free themselves from many of the perverse incentives of the academic game. You might be surprised how many who have not reached such a level also value simplicity, but simply must play the game. It's very common to see a clear and simple (in the good sense) paper grow increasingly complex in response to reviewers demands, going through a sequence of one or more rej…

I'm merely commenting on the output. Maybe a good number of people in academia do care about simplicity. Or it is simply that society is falsely incentivizing people to enter into these territories, when they should be doing something else.

Re: You don't need to work on hard problems (2020)

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You don't have to impress your peers, you have to impress everyone else. Also interesting is speed vs complexity. It is equally impressive if you can do dumb things really fast. You have to focus on reducing the time wasted between the simple tasks. In an ideal world you'd have a dedicated computer to do a single dumb task with everything optimized for it.

Re: You don't need to work on hard problems (2020)

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> If X is an easy problem, solving it "as quickly as possible" would be easy too. Hard disagree with this one. Summing all numbers from 1 to 100 is easy, summing 1 to a million is also easy, just time consuming. 1+2+3+4.... Coming up with (n*(1+n))/2 is not.

"easy, just time consuming" ... Also known as hard

If the easy task involves 7 things all straight forwards. You get 6 opportunities to waste time in between. Each sub task completed (to me at least) seems like the perfect time to look out the window, check email, have a snack etc but you wouldn't [say] half way typing a sentence. You could but won't.

Re: You don't need to work on hard problems (2020)

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>One thing I've noticed with young and ambitious employees, is that many need constant feedback. If they don't get any direct feedback immediately, they feel left out in the cold, and don't know how to react. It's an increasingly cold world and some young people may legit get zero feedback outside of work. Ghosted on dating scene, ghosted by the remaining friends post graduation, and now feeling ignored at work. Add…

Is it true that their friends ghost after graduation? I thought they would have more contact through Snapchat etc. Do you have personal acquaintances who had that happen. Im older, 30s but I felt that friend contact really fell off after moving away from SF former room mates and startup friends.

Someone, I don't remember who, said that friendships are fleeing products of time and place. Meaning that many friendships are mainly the result of where you are (e.g. university) at a certain time (e.g. youth) in your life.

When those things change, friendships may cease to exist. People move away, and grow away from each others - it is a sad fact of life, but it is what it is.

I had friendships in college which I felt were going to last my entire life - you really felt close to those people. Struggling together in the reading halls and labs, going out to pubs in the evening, and just chilling with movies on the weekends.

But then life happened, people move away, and you lose contact. Maybe one part tries to keep in touch, but you with work, family, and what not - it is not always a two-way street.

Then you bump into each others, 5-10-15-20 years later, and the magic is gone. Or maybe not, I've bumped into people I haven't seen in ages and we picked up were we left things.

Same goes for work - or dare I say - especially for work.

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