End of globalisation is coming, ironically forcing countries to invest into their technology stacks like during the cold war, with plenty of 8 and 16 bit computer clones to chose from.
Regarding Proposed US Restrictions on RISC-V
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Re: Regarding Proposed US Restrictions on RISC-V
#82> This has long been a trade-off of American innovation philosophy: we can freely exercise our First Amendment rights to share ideas, creating a vibrant intellectual exchange, even at the risk of others benefiting from reading our textbooks, journals and patents. Sometimes, we have to re-evaluate our positions. We cannot risk supplying our enemies with stuff they can turn around and use as weapons against ourselves a…
he said as he sent the japanese-americans to internment camps except you aren't at war, you're trying to start one
> except you aren't at war, you're trying to start one
I would rather like it for there to be no war. The problem is, that decision is not mine, it is not ours to make - China and Russia did that for us, decades ago, when they decided to wage cyber warfare on us: the Chinese mainly in industrial espionage, and Russia in terms of propaganda and "ordinary" cyber crime. Unfortunately we didn't react on this, to the contrary we kept on doing deals with them - all while the few opposition in Russia and China got more and more silent or outright sent to the gulags.
It was our inaction that allowed Xi and Putin to be where they are today, and the cost of stopping both of them got incredibly large as a result, like it tends to happen with deferring problems to the future. Or to put it figuratively, we stood there like a boxing sack while Xi and Putin punched in on us.
Side note: The next one to watch on that front is India, IMHO - Modi has been going ever more authoritarian for years, has zero problem doing deals with Russia, and India is doing absolutely nothing to rein in their scam callcenters that steal billions of dollars a year, and yet we don't even take care to re-home at least parts of the pharmaceutical industry which is causing severe havoc as Europe, especially Germany, is dealing with a massive shortage of basic medicine.
Re: Regarding Proposed US Restrictions on RISC-V
#83China should stop stealing our IP and create their own technology wait no not like that
Those darn'd Chinese training a bunch of engineers, participating in a global industry, producing a product at rock-bottom prices and then not forgetting everything they had to learn to help the rest of the world make chips! Dang Them!
Re: Regarding Proposed US Restrictions on RISC-V
#84Bunny’s stance would have been reasonable if someone like Jiang Zemin or Hu Jintao was in power, but Xi is different.
Not only has Xi blocked the West from accessing China’s domestic market, but Xi has essentially helped end globalism and started decoupling with his foolish wolf warrior diplomatic policy and the belligerent nine dash line. Let’s also not forget about Xi’s invasion plans for Taiwan ie we’re likely headed for war https://youtu.be/plHRRFHZ_f0
You cannot ignore those issues if you want people to take your position seriously.
Re: Regarding Proposed US Restrictions on RISC-V
#85China should stop stealing our IP and create their own technology wait no not like that
The British to the Americans in 1850 or to the Germans in 1850 or the Americans to the Japanese in 1900.
Re: Regarding Proposed US Restrictions on RISC-V
#86Earlier quoted context omitted.
he said as he sent the japanese-americans to internment camps except you aren't at war, you're trying to start one
> except you aren't at war, you're trying to start one I would rather like it for there to be no war. The problem is, that decision is not mine, it is not ours to make - China and Russia did that for us, decades ago, when they decided to wage cyber warfare on us: the Chinese mainly in industrial espionage, and Russia in terms of propaganda and "ordinary" cyber crime. Unfortunately we didn't react on this, to the cont…
falsely claiming that non-war activities such as propaganda are actually war, as you are doing, is an extremely common way to try to start wars, and has been for millennia
you must think hn readers are astoundingly dumb
i mean, we are, but not that dumb
if you would like there to be no war, here are a couple of things you could try
- don't try to dictate where rulers of foreign countries get to be or to stop them from ruling their own countries
- don't exaggerate grievances like your industrial espionage nonsense
like, let's suppose there's someone today posting on weibo 'It was our inaction that allowed Biden to be where he is today, and the cost of stopping him got incredibly large as a result, like it tends to happen with deferring problems to the future.' in chinese
do you think that hypothetical post makes war more likely or less likely
Re: Regarding Proposed US Restrictions on RISC-V
#87The numbers aren't large, but it's worth noting that 7 out of 18 signatories of the original letter received donatations from Intel's PAC in 2022 [0]: Mike Gallagher: $6000 Marco Rubio: $2500 Haley Stevens: $2000 Carlos Gimenez: $5000 Darin LaHood: $7000 Andy Barr: $2000 Ashley Hinson: $10000 Total: $34500 [0] https://www.opensecrets.org/political-action-committees-pacs...
I sure hope they aren't that cheap.
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Re: Regarding Proposed US Restrictions on RISC-V
#88Earlier quoted context omitted.
Apple just switched to ARM away from Intel, and I'm sure Intel is very concerned others will follow their lead. If ARM is at risk from RISC-V, then Intel is as well, transitively. That there is zero overlap now does not mean it will stay that way, as Apple demonstrated so well.
Yeah, but there's no product. There's no RISC-V CPU targetted at laptop or datacenter users that Intel would be worried about, but there absolutely are from ARM vendors. So... how would hurting RISC-V, which helps ARM, be good for Intel? It's not. Pick a different boogeyman basically, Intel isn't the one here.
I don’t know why you are fixated on looking at the market today.
If ARM can scale up from cortex m-series to Apple M3 Pro Ultra Max… then why couldn’t RISC-V?
Re: Regarding Proposed US Restrictions on RISC-V
#89It's amazing that the move of RISC-V Foundation to Switzerland (as RISC-V International) was actually called for. Even more amazing is US lawmakers continuing to try & shoot the US in the foot. RISC-V is now globally developed, that ship has sailed. Same for products based on it. The US can't prevent its 'proliferation'. Only reduce the degree to which US entities are part of, and profit from that. Are US lawmakers t…
> Are US lawmakers that dumb? I posted the numbers as a top level comment here [0], but the short version is that a lot of the signatories of this letter received (small) donations from Intel in the last election cycle. My best guess is that Intel is actively lobbying against RISC-V using China as the boogeyman, and that these lawmakers were persuaded (sincerely or otherwise) to treat RISC-V as a threat. [0] https://…
Intel employees have been contributing RISC-V patches to GCC for quite some time, and continue to do so. Here's one from today: https://inbox.sourceware.org/gcc-patches/20231106141623.3076...
Intel is also a member of RISC-V International: https://riscv.org/members/
I get that Intel is a very big company, but that kind of disconnect would be rather extreme.
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#90Does anyone know what restrictions have actually been proposed? Media reporting on it is uselessly vague.
Looks like what they want is to stop Americans from collaborating on RISC-V with any PRC company: Oct 6 (Reuters) - In a new front in the U.S.-China tech war, President Joe Biden's administration is facing pressure from some lawmakers to restrict American companies from working on a freely available chip technology widely used in China - a move that could upend how the global technology industry collaborates across b…
Are these senators invested in ARM?