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Psychedelics researcher approached his death with calm and curiosity

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How is this different from escaping problems through drug use?

Simple answer, It's not. Approaching a horrible situation with calm acceptance and resignation is pathological insanity. Don't let anyone tell you different.

Let me fix it for you: Approaching a horrible situation with calm acceptance where you can't do anything is pathological sanity. Learn about dichotomy of control.

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How is this different from escaping problems through drug use?

Most folks associate taking psychedelics and hanging out in a living room, out in nature, being at a club, festival or warehouse. The difference here is that the dugs are being used in a directed mental health setting with process and procedure. This has roots going back to Native American spiritual and communal experiences like the ayahuscaeros of today. Joe Rogan's old content postulates that religion as we know it…

Hate that Joe Rogan co-opted Terrence McKenna's huge body of work. And badly, at that.

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How is this different from escaping problems through drug use?

Most folks associate taking psychedelics and hanging out in a living room, out in nature, being at a club, festival or warehouse. The difference here is that the dugs are being used in a directed mental health setting with process and procedure. This has roots going back to Native American spiritual and communal experiences like the ayahuscaeros of today. Joe Rogan's old content postulates that religion as we know it…

That’s a strange way to explain away Moses’ encounter with God (what is written), seeing as according to the text it occurred many times without the burning bush present. See Exodus 33 on the tent of meeting.

Reading in psychedelics into the text is eisegesis rather than exegesis (reading in the interpreters bias into the text rather than discerning the original author’s intent).

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For those so inclined, Tara Brach had a lovely interview with Roland early this year: https://overcast.fm/+SWwgtYFDM From the podcast summary: Meditation, Psychedelics, Mortality: A conversation with Tara and Roland Griffiths - Roland is a long-term meditator, a psychopharmacologist and professor at Johns Hopkins, and a leader in researching the clinical effects of psychedelics, including their impact on those strugg…

I'm not a psychedelic researcher, but I have taken psychedelics, and I recently wrote "Strange trip: Psychedelics and confronting the fear of death:" https://jakeseliger.com/2023/09/25/strange-trip-psychedelics... , which covers similar themes.

Great article. Thinking of you and your family.

Re: Psychedelics researcher approached his death with calm and curiosity

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Simple answer, It's not. Approaching a horrible situation with calm acceptance and resignation is pathological insanity. Don't let anyone tell you different.

Let me fix it for you: Approaching a horrible situation with calm acceptance where you can't do anything is pathological sanity. Learn about dichotomy of control.

Calm and acceptance are two different things.

It's self defeating to judge a situation as "I can't do anything about it I should calmly accept it."

You can rarely if ever know with 100% certainty that you "can't do anything". And even then there are usually things you can do (or could have done).

Your emotional state with respect to a external situation is irrelevant, be stoic by all means.

But thats not what we're talking about here. We're talking about people using mind altering substances to alter their mind rather than face the situation and do what they can.

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Simple answer, It's not. Approaching a horrible situation with calm acceptance and resignation is pathological insanity. Don't let anyone tell you different. Especially not someone whose mind has been impaired by drugs. Drugs alter your subjective experience, how can you then understand whether your experience is true, and you are not simply operating with a defective brain. In these cases it is the latter. If it was…

Gosh, Poe's law is strong here. I was certain you were serious until that last sentence. But some people really do think like that so... are you being sarcastic?

It is a very unpopular opinion, I am well aware.

Mind-altering drugs are bad. If you have used them, you may have damaged your mind permanently.

You wouldn't even know. And you'd even go far as to tell me that it made you smarter/better/more enlightened in some way.

Objectively though, it didn't.

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Our bodies have the enzymes to process alcohol (as opposed to similar chemicals like isopropyl alcohol) since animals have been ingesting fermented foods since the beginning of time. These rhetorical attacks on Alcohol in an attempt to normalize the use of other chemicals without a similar biological history is asinine.

Found the functioning alcoholic

As I said, rhetoric.

Re: Psychedelics researcher approached his death with calm and curiosity

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Our bodies have the enzymes to process alcohol (as opposed to similar chemicals like isopropyl alcohol) since animals have been ingesting fermented foods since the beginning of time. These rhetorical attacks on Alcohol in an attempt to normalize the use of other chemicals without a similar biological history is asinine.

It's not rhetorical. Alcohol is empirically more harmful than all of the other drugs mentioned (in large part because of how said enzymes process it). How long it's been around has nothing to do with it.

Physical damage is not the only kind of damage.

I'd be more concerned with psychological damage.

People who drink alcohol typically don't go around telling people they communed with entities from another dimension and they realized that all of existence is one harmonious unity.

Or whatever.

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It's not rhetorical. Alcohol is empirically more harmful than all of the other drugs mentioned (in large part because of how said enzymes process it). How long it's been around has nothing to do with it.

Physical damage is not the only kind of damage. I'd be more concerned with psychological damage. People who drink alcohol typically don't go around telling people they communed with entities from another dimension and they realized that all of existence is one harmonious unity. Or whatever.

Is that so bad by comparison, though? Assuming a "serious effects" dosage (i.e. not a microdose and not a single whisky shot) I'd rather spend a while dealing with machine elves or considering the universe a glorious and meaningful harmony than being miserably dizzy and puking in a bucket. I'm not anti-alcohol, but as drugs go it's not exactly the most entertaining experience on offer.

Re: Psychedelics researcher approached his death with calm and curiosity

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How is this different from escaping problems through drug use?

Because the kind of drug use you're thinking of means addiction to a substance (one that typically numbs you or makes you feel unnaturally happy). Here he's discussing about people improving their condition after a single dose.

His best example of a patient outcome is "patient came to believe in a Higher Power and felt at peace".

Why are we being so credulous?

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