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Re: Kai Fu Lee's New AI Company: Yi-Open Source

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Post by DevX101 »

upupupandaway wrote: post #41
throwaway4736 wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Matt Levine once described this very well, although he did it when referring to Adam Neumann and WeWork. I’m paraphrasing, but there are a subset of people who are able to consistently and accurately to great success exploit a bubble in the VC world, by dint of exactly knowing what to say and of being able to get the meeting in the first place. Lee being able to credibly sell bullshit like the quoted claim is a featu…

At first I was angry about these grifters because they suck opportunities out of the market, leaving legitimate startups behind. But knowing what I know now, that VCs are also grifters (looking at a16z and its pump and dump crypto win) I have started rooting for the "bad guys". So may Lee attract all VC money in the world to promptly set it on fire like Adam did.

Curious, what was the a16z crypto dump play? I saw them pump for a few years, until the market tanked.

Re: Kai Fu Lee's New AI Company: Yi-Open Source

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Post by T-A »

Conscat wrote: post #19

> We predict that AI 2.0 will create a platform opportunity ten times larger than the mobile internet, rewriting all software and user interfaces. I was a bit interested until I read this. If this claim is to be believed, then the company appears to be entirely out of touch with reality, and it makes claims like outperforming llama-70b seem even more incredulous.

Kai-Fu Lee is (among other things) a SciFi author. Check out "AI 2041" to see what he has in mind:

https://www.space.com/artificial-intelligence-anthology-book...

Re: Kai Fu Lee's New AI Company: Yi-Open Source

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Post by jprete »

RobotToaster wrote: post #60
logicchains wrote: post #57

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He doesn't mean AI will rewrite the apps, he means the apps/their UIs will be rewritten to use natural language input.

I thought he meant that more interfaces will be designed to be used by AI.

If three of you have such substantially different interpretations of the text, then it’s almost certainly bullshit.

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Post by [deleted] »

DevX101 wrote: post #61
upupupandaway wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At first I was angry about these grifters because they suck opportunities out of the market, leaving legitimate startups behind. But knowing what I know now, that VCs are also grifters (looking at a16z and its pump and dump crypto win) I have started rooting for the "bad guys". So may Lee attract all VC money in the world to promptly set it on fire like Adam did.

Curious, what was the a16z crypto dump play? I saw them pump for a few years, until the market tanked.

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Re: Kai Fu Lee's New AI Company: Yi-Open Source

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Post by ycdavidsmith »

mark_l_watson wrote: post #53
whitten wrote: post #30

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What was his thesis about ?

The thesis described the Sphinx speech to text system. It ran, if I remember correctly, on a few VAX minicomputers. In the early part of my career (first 20 years) I concentrated on tackling very difficult problems wherever I worked, accepting some failures and some successes. Reading his thesis was important to me because it gave me a feeling for trying to solve hard problems in a low resource environment (although…

You inspire me.

Re: Kai Fu Lee's New AI Company: Yi-Open Source

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Post by dboreham »

logicchains wrote: post #57
ben_w wrote: post #54

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I'm entirely ready to believe AI will soon write all apps and UI. I don't see such rewrites being a x10 market opportunity, given there's already "an app for that" even when there shouldn't be.

He doesn't mean AI will rewrite the apps, he means the apps/their UIs will be rewritten to use natural language input.

> He doesn't mean AI will rewrite the apps

Re: Kai Fu Lee's New AI Company: Yi-Open Source

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Post by echelon »

ben_w wrote: post #54
jstummbillig wrote: post #33

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What do you find offence with? Hip speech and yawn-2.0-s aside, I find the claim entirely defendable, given, of course, a certain set of assumptions in this very new and uncertain space.

I'm entirely ready to believe AI will soon write all apps and UI. I don't see such rewrites being a x10 market opportunity, given there's already "an app for that" even when there shouldn't be.

He means that a world that requires engineers for most things vs. a world that doesn't is a very different world.

If your average joe on the street can automate their own random business task, that's a very different world than the one we have today.

This is totally a 10x opportunity if it pans out. Maybe even bigger.

If it pans out.

Re: Kai Fu Lee's New AI Company: Yi-Open Source

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Post by m3kw9 »

Conscat wrote: post #19

> We predict that AI 2.0 will create a platform opportunity ten times larger than the mobile internet, rewriting all software and user interfaces. I was a bit interested until I read this. If this claim is to be believed, then the company appears to be entirely out of touch with reality, and it makes claims like outperforming llama-70b seem even more incredulous.

If they were serious they would have a specific number rather than exactly 10. This is for investment attraction

Re: Kai Fu Lee's New AI Company: Yi-Open Source

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Post by timfsu »

throwaway4good wrote: post #8
echelon wrote: post #3

What is up with all of these {number}.ai companies? 01.ai 11.ai https://twelvelabs.io (couldn't get 12.ai, huh?) There are about a half dozen more. I'm laughing at the domain squatter that bought 900.ai, 99999.ai, and 1234567.ai This has to be the worst possible thing to name your company.

Number domain names seem to be popular in countries that don’t use the latin alphabet - ie China or Japan. 01.ai is pretty cool name and domain … for sure beats grok or calling something open when it is actually closed.

Another reason number domains are popular in Asia is that they are much easier to type, especially historically on mobile

Re: Kai Fu Lee's New AI Company: Yi-Open Source

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Post by YetAnotherNick »

Barrin92 wrote: post #59
jstummbillig wrote: post #56

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> How is it defendable? How do you defend 10x? Uncertainty. Given incomplete information it is common practice to make assumptions about things to give us some starting point from which to act. In this context a round integer value pretty much implies: They are estimating, and they might be completely off. I guess you could say, "Instead of making assumptions with uncertainty, let's not assume anything", but that mak…

It's a common and bad practice because quantitative language belongs in the domain of risk , not uncertainty. Two very different things. Risk is the world of stationary laws and empirical data. Fluid markets, mortality stats, that kind of thing. The "10x AI productivity boost" is about as real as the "10x engineer", that's to say, the PR department made it up. It's just vibes, but it's a symptom of a culture that und…

I think it's pedantic argument. Obviously he meant that his bet is the future is something and willing to work for it. No need to scratch your head. 10x is not maths 10x and no one thinks it is literally 10.0x.
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