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Re: Show HN: Ladder, open source alternative to 12ft.io and 1ft.io

#31

Open source makes it easy for the cat in the cat mouse game, right?

There's no real cat & mouse game here (yet*) - sites don't do anything to mitigate this. Sites deliberately make their content available to robots to gain SEO traction: they're left with the choice of allowing this kind of bypass or hurting their own SEO.

* I say "yet" because there could conceivably be ways to mitigate this, but afaik most would involve individual deals/contracts between every search engine & every subscription website - Google's monopoly simplifies this somewhat, but there's not much of an incentive from Google's perpsective to facilitate this at any scale.

Re: Show HN: Ladder, open source alternative to 12ft.io and 1ft.io

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lovely, the Google classic "ban the world" approach -- I've been desperately trying to move my client off of vercel, this might just be the gasoline.

Aside from this (which is already very shitty and would cause the same response in me) what are the issues you’re running into with Vercel?

- Support is failing us - I want my team to use you for vercel support, but it isn't there. - Support is failing our customers - when you fail, I end up reverse-depending your repo to tell us why it's failing -- just give us a clear answer, we all move away happy, bullshit and I go to lambda where I just accept it. - EOD: Vercel makes engineers happy to bullshit, but gives operations teams nothing acceptable - I want a deliverable product.

Re: Show HN: Ladder, open source alternative to 12ft.io and 1ft.io

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I got the feeling that these features should be part of a browser extension the same way as there are AdBlock extensions. I guess the reason it is not is "personal preference" of the author, or is there some technical reason?

> these features should be part of a browser extension You mean like Bypass Paywall Clean? https://gitlab.com/magnolia1234/bypass-paywalls-chrome-clean

Is there a Firefox version?

Re: Show HN: Ladder, open source alternative to 12ft.io and 1ft.io

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> these features should be part of a browser extension You mean like Bypass Paywall Clean? https://gitlab.com/magnolia1234/bypass-paywalls-chrome-clean

Is there a Firefox version?

https://gitlab.com/magnolia1234/bypass-paywalls-firefox-clea...

It used to be in mozillas addon store, but they removed it, so have to install via dev mode

Re: Show HN: Ladder, open source alternative to 12ft.io and 1ft.io

#35
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Archive.today never fails compared to Archive.org or various browser extensions To remove paywalls 12ft<Archive.org<Archive.today is my opinion.

For some reason all the alternative "archive.XYZXDHWIQHDQ" type of sites always give me a captcha page, and I am never able to proceed. I'm assuming its to do with the cloudflare DNS, well if they don't care to fix it on their end, I don't care to use their service.

There is a bit of 'tussle' going on between the two of them for quite a few years as you pointed out.

https://x.com/archiveis/status/1018691421182791680?s=20

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36971650

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19828702

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36971552

Re: Show HN: Ladder, open source alternative to 12ft.io and 1ft.io

#36
post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Archive.today never fails compared to Archive.org or various browser extensions To remove paywalls 12ft<Archive.org<Archive.today is my opinion.

For some reason all the alternative "archive.XYZXDHWIQHDQ" type of sites always give me a captcha page, and I am never able to proceed. I'm assuming its to do with the cloudflare DNS, well if they don't care to fix it on their end, I don't care to use their service.

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Re: Show HN: Ladder, open source alternative to 12ft.io and 1ft.io

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> these features should be part of a browser extension You mean like Bypass Paywall Clean? https://gitlab.com/magnolia1234/bypass-paywalls-chrome-clean

Is there a Firefox version?

You don't even need to install it, just add it as an import line to UO, Google how. Game changing.

Re: Show HN: Ladder, open source alternative to 12ft.io and 1ft.io

#39

Relevant: 12ft.io was banned by Vercel, taking down the developer's entire account with multiple other hosted projects & domains: https://twitter.com/thmsmlr/status/1718663563353755982 Edit: Access to other projects & domains was apparently restored some time after: https://twitter.com/thmsmlr/status/1719480558932148272

Shows the importance of controlling your own critical infrastructure, or at least not being dependent for critical functions. Other examples include Github and Discord, both having shown the tendency do arbitarily ban users with little recourse.

Re: Show HN: Ladder, open source alternative to 12ft.io and 1ft.io

#40
post #16

Relevant: 12ft.io was banned by Vercel, taking down the developer's entire account with multiple other hosted projects & domains: https://twitter.com/thmsmlr/status/1718663563353755982 Edit: Access to other projects & domains was apparently restored some time after: https://twitter.com/thmsmlr/status/1719480558932148272

Lovely, the Google classic "ban the world" approach -- I've been desperately trying to move my client off of vercel, this might just be the gasoline.

One might consider Cloudflare as a very nice competitor to Vercel in terms of DX, although I suspect all companies use a ban the world approach, even banks.
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