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Re: Berlin's famed nightclubs, losing customers, face an uncertain future

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Post by projectazorian »

_dain_ wrote: post #109
vinckr wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is that you personal experience? In my experience there is no "right way to look" when going to Berghain, most people online have no idea what the club actually is and just keep repeating the same old tired clichees - like the fantasy that you have to be dressed all black or something to get in. In my experience the bouncer just sees if you will have a good time at the party or not. And that is what they select on. O…

>Its about the look in your eyes. that sounds so lame tbh. i thought most people left behind this social scarcity shit after sixth form.

Welcome to the “underground” scene, where middle school level behavior is still regarded as the height of sophistication.

Almost like actual adults who still sport non-drug-addled brains should run away as quickly as possible.

Re: Berlin's famed nightclubs, losing customers, face an uncertain future

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Post by kodapoda »

shiroiuma wrote: post #147
kodapoda wrote: post #141

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This might be true for very few very selective clubs like Berghain, certainly not true for all Berlin clubs. In the case of Berghain, it obviously doesn't suffer from losing customers—your comment confirms this point.

>This might be true for very few very selective clubs like Berghain, certainly not true for all Berlin clubs. Perhaps, but it seems that those "selective" clubs have given a bad reputation to all clubs.

Berlin clubs are a scene, it's highly recommended to do prep work before going out. Personally, I would love for these clubs to be more accessible, but understand that Berghain has a very specific reputation that it works hard to maintain. It's an exclusive techno club considered by many to be the best in the world.

Re: Berlin's famed nightclubs, losing customers, face an uncertain future

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Post by projectazorian »

lemax wrote: post #96
cedws wrote: post #43

I realise Berghain et al are trying to protect themselves from the riff raff, but enforcing a stupid "techno uniform" and turning away half their potential customers for arbitrary reasons probably doesn't help their business. I went to Berlin earlier this year and didn't even try to get into Berghain because I don't want to waste time queuing only to be turned away. In London we have some excellent clubs that don't c…

You do not need to wear a uniform to get into Berghain. The bouncers, above all, are looking for interesting people who they believe will add something to the mix rather than just go there to consume and gawk. There really is not much to conform to, other than some contextual awareness of the fact that you're going to a techno venue and there is a certain culture behind that, e.g. flashy logos or ostentatious clothin…

Elon didn’t get in because letting a celebrity billionaire in would be death for any Berlin club.

It would make the scene’s champagne Marxism just a little too obvious for comfort.

It has nothing to do with his vibe. A non-celebrity ultra high net worth individual would get the red carpet treatment. Berghain guestlist isn’t at all hard to get.

Re: Berlin's famed nightclubs, losing customers, face an uncertain future

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Post by sidlls »

PaulDavisThe1st wrote: post #134
ulizzle wrote: post #117

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They actually were better back then which is what drives people crazy. I think it’s because the older generations (us) didn’t put any value in tradition, so we weren’t able to preserve ours.

Your logic requires, it seems, that things have been getting worse for ever. Or is there some point where you think cohort "value in tradition" was different?

How do you infer such a generalization when the OP was referring to something very specific?

It's possible for them to believe that the techno/rave/DJ scene is worse now, and that other similar culture/social activities done now are not.

Re: Berlin's famed nightclubs, losing customers, face an uncertain future

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Post by jjulius »

taway1237 wrote: post #65
hackernewds wrote: post #37

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Imagine Americans excluding Europeans for their accent. There would be a massive furor and lawsuit.

In this case I suggest scepticism towards the theory that Berlin nightclubs intentionally and openly exclude American tourists (a pretty wealthy class). When the only proof is a random HN post. This doesn't even pass the sniff test. Sounds more like a urban legend started by some tourist that was bounced for any other arbitrary reason.

Hi, I've been involved in the dance scene stateside for 20+ years, and I'm also quite a bit of a skeptic myself. I would argue that it's not quite an urban legend, as US and European nightlife cultures both "party" a bit differently than one another - to condense this concept perhaps a bit unfairly, the general conception is that Americans party hard up front and can't "hang" for a long time, while Europeans pace out their partying over longer stretches of time.

There's at least a degree of resistance towards letting in too much of the American ethos, or at least in trying to make sure that the American tourist trying to get into the club is capable of hanging and respecting the hedonism within, as opposed to going balls to the wall for the sake of going balls to the wall.

Re: Berlin's famed nightclubs, losing customers, face an uncertain future

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Post by huytersd »

cedws wrote: post #43

I realise Berghain et al are trying to protect themselves from the riff raff, but enforcing a stupid "techno uniform" and turning away half their potential customers for arbitrary reasons probably doesn't help their business. I went to Berlin earlier this year and didn't even try to get into Berghain because I don't want to waste time queuing only to be turned away. In London we have some excellent clubs that don't c…

I went knowing full well I wasn’t cool enough to get in. Atleast I can say I tried.

Re: Berlin's famed nightclubs, losing customers, face an uncertain future

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Post by explaininjs »

shiroiuma wrote: post #147
kodapoda wrote: post #141

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This might be true for very few very selective clubs like Berghain, certainly not true for all Berlin clubs. In the case of Berghain, it obviously doesn't suffer from losing customers—your comment confirms this point.

>This might be true for very few very selective clubs like Berghain, certainly not true for all Berlin clubs. Perhaps, but it seems that those "selective" clubs have given a bad reputation to all clubs.

Bad to you perhaps, great for the people who take pride in being at "the most exclusive" places. Which is a not-insignificant amount of people.

Re: Berlin's famed nightclubs, losing customers, face an uncertain future

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Post by [deleted] »

sneak wrote: post #89
julianeon wrote: post #22

I think the closing point is pretty good: these businesses are complaining about declining revenues... but also turning people away? If that's how the nightclub business works, it's better for the government to stay away from subsidizing them. Let them run their business in their own way - but without taxpayer funding.

If Berghain let in even 50% of the people who try to go to Berghain, the party would be terrible and repulsive every night. I’ve been there a million times and even one person who doesn’t know techno and the way our scene works can ruin a few dozen square meters of dancefloor with boorish leering. If you want to party in a sea of drunken tourists because they let everyone in, there are plenty of other clubs that aren…

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Re: Berlin's famed nightclubs, losing customers, face an uncertain future

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Post by bin_bash »

kodapoda wrote: post #141
jliptzin wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yea, 3 hour lines, and then they obnoxiously don’t let you in anyway, for no obvious reason. Not shedding any tears here.

This might be true for very few very selective clubs like Berghain, certainly not true for all Berlin clubs. In the case of Berghain, it obviously doesn't suffer from losing customers—your comment confirms this point.

The article is literally about Berghain.
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