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Re: Berlin's famed nightclubs, losing customers, face an uncertain future

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Post by ben_w »

totetsu wrote: post #3
RamblingCTO wrote: post #2

You also have tik tok ravers. A generation which built their own culture in isolation in the pandemic now flooding the dance floors not knowing anything about techno culture. For me it's a big part of not wanting to go anywhere anymore. Before, your outfit didn't matter, phones, photos and videos were discouraged. Nowadays these kids dress to impress and point there phones everywhere. They consume the techno culture…

I heard phones were putting a dampener on the lakeside sunbathing too

Unless a wild boar steals your bag while you're sunbathing, then the phones with cameras absolutely liven things up, though mainly for everyone else: https://www.freepressjournal.in/world/naked-german-man-chase...

Re: Berlin's famed nightclubs, losing customers, face an uncertain future

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Post by throwawaaarrgh »

cedws wrote: post #43

I realise Berghain et al are trying to protect themselves from the riff raff, but enforcing a stupid "techno uniform" and turning away half their potential customers for arbitrary reasons probably doesn't help their business. I went to Berlin earlier this year and didn't even try to get into Berghain because I don't want to waste time queuing only to be turned away. In London we have some excellent clubs that don't c…

> but enforcing a stupid "techno uniform" and turning away half their potential customers for arbitrary reasons probably doesn't help their business.

That's literally all they're known for. It's their whole business model. "Don't come because you probably won't get in" -> everyone tries to get in

Re: Berlin's famed nightclubs, losing customers, face an uncertain future

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Post by aaron695 »

PaulDavisThe1st wrote: post #94
makeitshine wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For many older people it died in the 90s. When people stopped dancing and treated the DJ like it was a concert I felt it had changed into something else. I watch some of the old VHS I took and people are crowding the speakers and the floor is alive, while nowadays so much of what I see is people all facing a DJ lit up by a spotlight and just standing their bobbing their head.

"it wasn't better back then, you were just younger" - unknown internet pundit

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Re: Berlin's famed nightclubs, losing customers, face an uncertain future

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Post by lmm »

vinckr wrote: post #87
squillion wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This. The truth is that those clubs are more elitist than the opera house.

Not true. Only the most famous ones are that selective and the opera is still many times more expensive - plus you actually need a certain dresscode at the opera.

At which opera house? In my student days the cheap seats at the back were very cheap and you could wear anything.

Re: Berlin's famed nightclubs, losing customers, face an uncertain future

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Post by jdietrich »

RamblingCTO wrote: post #71
hackernewds wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This rings of "get off m'lawn" vibes. As a gen Z myself, I question what's wrong with "tiktok ravers" wanting to dress up and enjoy music? The whole genre will fade away if it doesn't curate to the next generation, as the originals get too creaky to dance.

I don't care. Before, people would look out for each other and treat everyone with respect, regardless of clothing and style. Tik Tok ravers tend do to the opposite. Let people die on the fucking curb, being an asshat, just go to raves to take all drugs at once. I'm no the only one who thinks that way. This is a very big debate, especially in Germany. So what's wrong with tik tok ravers? They bring their fucking cons…

If you were to ask a British raver of a certain age, they'd tell you that Berghain and Kit Kat in their prime were nothing compared to Shelley's Laserdome, Bagley's or the Doncaster Warehouse, which were themselves pale imitations of the summer of '89.

Re: Berlin's famed nightclubs, losing customers, face an uncertain future

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Post by bormaj »

hackernewds wrote: post #32
RamblingCTO wrote: post #2

You also have tik tok ravers. A generation which built their own culture in isolation in the pandemic now flooding the dance floors not knowing anything about techno culture. For me it's a big part of not wanting to go anywhere anymore. Before, your outfit didn't matter, phones, photos and videos were discouraged. Nowadays these kids dress to impress and point there phones everywhere. They consume the techno culture…

This rings of "get off m'lawn" vibes. As a gen Z myself, I question what's wrong with "tiktok ravers" wanting to dress up and enjoy music? The whole genre will fade away if it doesn't curate to the next generation, as the originals get too creaky to dance.

> wanting to dress up and enjoy the music

In my experience in the scene, these types of people enter these spaces looking to be seen and aren't really there for the music (think taking flash photos of themselves in front of the DJs, taking up space on the dancefloor not dancing or vibing to the music, etc).

I have strong opinions on this, but don't get me wrong, there's a bit of gatekeeping for a good reason. The point is that people who are actually interested in the scene are more likely to respect it and contribute to the involved communities. Whereas a tik-tok raver's interest is likely fleeting and uninformed about the spaces they occupy.

Re: Berlin's famed nightclubs, losing customers, face an uncertain future

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Post by Ralfp »

fab1an wrote: post #7
RamblingCTO wrote: post #2

You also have tik tok ravers. A generation which built their own culture in isolation in the pandemic now flooding the dance floors not knowing anything about techno culture. For me it's a big part of not wanting to go anywhere anymore. Before, your outfit didn't matter, phones, photos and videos were discouraged. Nowadays these kids dress to impress and point there phones everywhere. They consume the techno culture…

Phones and photography are banned in many Berlin clubs - they either lock your phone away at the entrance or put a sticker on the camera. That's why you barely see any footage from inside Berghain anywhere...

Thing with sticker is that usually you go to the toilet and walls are covered in those stickers people removed from their devices as soon as they got away from the bouncers.

Re: Berlin's famed nightclubs, losing customers, face an uncertain future

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Post by mensetmanusman »

deng wrote: post #56
cedws wrote: post #43

I realise Berghain et al are trying to protect themselves from the riff raff, but enforcing a stupid "techno uniform" and turning away half their potential customers for arbitrary reasons probably doesn't help their business. I went to Berlin earlier this year and didn't even try to get into Berghain because I don't want to waste time queuing only to be turned away. In London we have some excellent clubs that don't c…

Actually, Berghain does it pretty well. Usually the bouncers walk the line and already tell people when they definitely will not get in. This avoids a lot of drama at the door, and people don't have to wait needlessly and can still comfortably go someplace else. Berghain is one of the most famous clubs in the world. It has and cultivates an underground image, which is why people want to go there in the first place. Y…

Pro tip: don’t wear tennis shoes.

Re: Berlin's famed nightclubs, losing customers, face an uncertain future

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Post by _dain_ »

vinckr wrote: post #86
Gud wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's already over run by tourists, except now only tourists who can afford to look the right way on social media are allowed in.

Is that you personal experience? In my experience there is no "right way to look" when going to Berghain, most people online have no idea what the club actually is and just keep repeating the same old tired clichees - like the fantasy that you have to be dressed all black or something to get in. In my experience the bouncer just sees if you will have a good time at the party or not. And that is what they select on. O…

>Its about the look in your eyes.

that sounds so lame tbh. i thought most people left behind this social scarcity shit after sixth form.

Re: Berlin's famed nightclubs, losing customers, face an uncertain future

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Post by popcalc »

taway1237 wrote: post #65
hackernewds wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Imagine Americans excluding Europeans for their accent. There would be a massive furor and lawsuit.

In this case I suggest scepticism towards the theory that Berlin nightclubs intentionally and openly exclude American tourists (a pretty wealthy class). When the only proof is a random HN post. This doesn't even pass the sniff test. Sounds more like a urban legend started by some tourist that was bounced for any other arbitrary reason.

We are talking about Berghain, not LIV Miami. This is about more than money.
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