How different are the instruction sets of the 80486 and Pentium from the 386? Put another way, had the instruction set been frozen as of the 386 (barring any required changes for 64-bit), would we notice any difference in performance today?
Intel 80386, a Revolutionary CPU
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Re: Intel 80386, a Revolutionary CPU
#12They were in big trouble then. The entire company was riding on it being great. It could have easily gone awry as it did for Data General, Honeywell, CDC, AST, Tandy, Olivetti, Xerox, DEC Rainbow, AT&T Hobbit, Wang 2200 and Unisys. Strong survivorship bias on this one. Most of the once Titans are in or near the dustbin now, such as SDS, SDC and Fairchild. Intel's history was primarily as a memory manufacturer. They'r…
> "Business success contains the seeds of its own destruction. Success breeds complacency. Complacency breeds failure. Only the paranoid survive."
Something that Intel's leaders didn't pay attention to during the 2010s.
Re: Intel 80386, a Revolutionary CPU
#13They were in big trouble then. The entire company was riding on it being great. It could have easily gone awry as it did for Data General, Honeywell, CDC, AST, Tandy, Olivetti, Xerox, DEC Rainbow, AT&T Hobbit, Wang 2200 and Unisys. Strong survivorship bias on this one. Most of the once Titans are in or near the dustbin now, such as SDS, SDC and Fairchild. Intel's history was primarily as a memory manufacturer. They'r…
What’s their hope right now? Some sort of Quark-derived desktop CPU à la Dothan?
Re: Intel 80386, a Revolutionary CPU
#14How different are the instruction sets of the 80486 and Pentium from the 386? Put another way, had the instruction set been frozen as of the 386 (barring any required changes for 64-bit), would we notice any difference in performance today?
Vector instructions are the obvious thing and being massive gains to media, cryptography, math, AI, graphics, and signal processing. Beyond that there have been a few additions like CMOV (conditional move) that would be missed, though instruction fusion in pipelines can sometimes achieve the same speed up. Lastly you would have to add some atomic instructions to support SMP.
Re: Intel 80386, a Revolutionary CPU
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#16They were in big trouble then. The entire company was riding on it being great. It could have easily gone awry as it did for Data General, Honeywell, CDC, AST, Tandy, Olivetti, Xerox, DEC Rainbow, AT&T Hobbit, Wang 2200 and Unisys. Strong survivorship bias on this one. Most of the once Titans are in or near the dustbin now, such as SDS, SDC and Fairchild. Intel's history was primarily as a memory manufacturer. They'r…
What’s their hope right now? Some sort of Quark-derived desktop CPU à la Dothan?
The difficulty is they need to make nearly decade-long bets that are the size of small countries economies due to the complexity of manufacturing and Intel's made a few bad ones recently.
I don't know who to listen to on what chip design will be a market win in 2030 either. AI applications are extremely resource intensive so that will be driving things for a while but how to solve that in an affordable chip created by a reliable efficient manufacturing process is beyond me. This stuff is phenomenally hard.
I'd say the winner is something like an NVIDIA graphics pipeline that is separated into a pile called "graphics" and "ai" and then has the graphics part gutted for a cheaper AI pipeline which can use system memory as opposed to preciously expensive graphics memory and then gets integrated into their next gen CPUs taking Nvidia out of the loop and dealing a blow to AMD at the same time. They'd mop the floors with something like that especially if you could just drop it into pytorch and have it work automagically. They could probably then just turn around and license it to ARM.
AMD and Nvidia wouldn't work together to mount a unified defense because of ATI and this would allow Intel to weasel their way back into the Apple money stream.
But I'm just some unemployed dude typing this on a 4 year old android. Don't listen to me.
Re: Intel 80386, a Revolutionary CPU
#17How different are the instruction sets of the 80486 and Pentium from the 386? Put another way, had the instruction set been frozen as of the 386 (barring any required changes for 64-bit), would we notice any difference in performance today?
Re: Intel 80386, a Revolutionary CPU
#18That said...the 386 was a world-changing engineering achievement, and as much as I think in a just and fair timeline the 68030 would have taken over the world ( :-) ), you can't discount what Intel did.
Re: Intel 80386, a Revolutionary CPU
#19I forgot how powerful the i960 was - and how this demonstrated that despite that - that compatibility was king.
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#20I forgot how powerful the i960 was - and how this demonstrated that despite that - that compatibility was king.
We under-appreciate how little binary compatibility matters now, so that you can even develop something on an ARM-based machine and then rebuild and safely deploy to an x64-based machine (usually because it's Node, JVM, Python, etc).