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Re: Berlin's famed nightclubs, losing customers, face an uncertain future

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Post by RamblingCTO »

hackernewds wrote: post #32
RamblingCTO wrote: post #2

You also have tik tok ravers. A generation which built their own culture in isolation in the pandemic now flooding the dance floors not knowing anything about techno culture. For me it's a big part of not wanting to go anywhere anymore. Before, your outfit didn't matter, phones, photos and videos were discouraged. Nowadays these kids dress to impress and point there phones everywhere. They consume the techno culture…

This rings of "get off m'lawn" vibes. As a gen Z myself, I question what's wrong with "tiktok ravers" wanting to dress up and enjoy music? The whole genre will fade away if it doesn't curate to the next generation, as the originals get too creaky to dance.

I don't care. Before, people would look out for each other and treat everyone with respect, regardless of clothing and style. Tik Tok ravers tend do to the opposite. Let people die on the fucking curb, being an asshat, just go to raves to take all drugs at once. I'm no the only one who thinks that way. This is a very big debate, especially in Germany. So what's wrong with tik tok ravers? They bring their fucking consumerism into a culture that they don't care for, destroying it in the process.

If you want to look into this more:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WauGLIefYrg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xk6wqKqygDw

watch with subs if needed.

Re: Berlin's famed nightclubs, losing customers, face an uncertain future

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Post by RamblingCTO »

red_admiral wrote: post #20
fab1an wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Phones and photography are banned in many Berlin clubs - they either lock your phone away at the entrance or put a sticker on the camera. That's why you barely see any footage from inside Berghain anywhere...

I think most people who go there would consider that a feature, not a bug.

Absolutely. Techno was a safe space and you could be as freaky as you want without fear of repercussions.

Re: Berlin's famed nightclubs, losing customers, face an uncertain future

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Post by deng »

cedws wrote: post #70
deng wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Everybody says you need to wear black. That is false. Look, if you just made it for everybody, it would no longer be a club with an underground image. Berghain is a tourist magnet because it simply is an unbelievable location straight out of a Mad Max movie, paired with a Funktion-One sound system that fits your head like a headphone, featuring the best techno DJs in the world, and you can spend your whole weekend…

>if you just made it for everybody, it would no longer be a club with an underground image. It is clearly not underground because everybody knows about it. It only achieves the "image" through arbitrary discrimination. That is the least punk as you can get. None of what you said makes Berghain great goes away by letting more people experience it. The sound system and DJs will still be there. I guarantee if Berghain s…

I said "underground image". Go find an illegal rave if you want underground. Go to a punk dive bar if you want punk. Berghain simply wants to make sure that it's not overrun by tourists, because once that happens, the only thing you can do afterwards is close shop. At least it's not discrimination through money like in plenty of other clubs. You cannot buy a VIP table at Berghain. That's pretty refreshing.

Re: Berlin's famed nightclubs, losing customers, face an uncertain future

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Post by deng »

spacemadness wrote: post #67
deng wrote: post #42

Berghain for sure is not struggling, but even if they were, Andrea should know that you'll always have a hard time at the door with two guys sporting the "skinfade + northface jacket" combo.

So they wouldn’t let Autechre in? Their loss.

They have a separate entrance for talent.

Re: Berlin's famed nightclubs, losing customers, face an uncertain future

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Post by zappb »

FFP999 wrote: post #9
3seashells wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's never over as long as there is a industrial ruin, a speaker and a glowstick. The rest is just the clubs that ate the raves. Nothing of value was lost.

It'll never be over--it's just Berlin will no longer be the capital of it. Actually would not be terribly surprised if the party moves to San Francisco next.

Detroit techno scene rises up again! Or the Chicago house scene.

Re: Berlin's famed nightclubs, losing customers, face an uncertain future

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Post by gillesjacobs »

this_user wrote: post #38

> "Berlin nightlife is very free," he says. "It's trying to push artistic boundaries. It's trying to push personal boundaries. It's trying to let people experience music, art and culture with some rules. But those rules are created to have no rules." I'm not sure this guy could be more pretentious if he tried. Maybe they should consider that this kind of attitude might be part of the problem.

You will be hard pressed to find a more pretentious music scene than (European) techno. And I am saying this as someone who enjoys the music.

Re: Berlin's famed nightclubs, losing customers, face an uncertain future

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Post by FFP999 »

zappb wrote: post #75
FFP999 wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It'll never be over--it's just Berlin will no longer be the capital of it. Actually would not be terribly surprised if the party moves to San Francisco next.

Detroit techno scene rises up again! Or the Chicago house scene.

I for one would not complain.

Re: Berlin's famed nightclubs, losing customers, face an uncertain future

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Post by FFP999 »

deng wrote: post #42

Berghain for sure is not struggling, but even if they were, Andrea should know that you'll always have a hard time at the door with two guys sporting the "skinfade + northface jacket" combo.

Hold on, what's this about North Face? I thought German law required Helly Hansen jackets.

Re: Berlin's famed nightclubs, losing customers, face an uncertain future

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Post by Incipient »

hackernewds wrote: post #32
RamblingCTO wrote: post #2

You also have tik tok ravers. A generation which built their own culture in isolation in the pandemic now flooding the dance floors not knowing anything about techno culture. For me it's a big part of not wanting to go anywhere anymore. Before, your outfit didn't matter, phones, photos and videos were discouraged. Nowadays these kids dress to impress and point there phones everywhere. They consume the techno culture…

This rings of "get off m'lawn" vibes. As a gen Z myself, I question what's wrong with "tiktok ravers" wanting to dress up and enjoy music? The whole genre will fade away if it doesn't curate to the next generation, as the originals get too creaky to dance.

>The whole genre will fade away if it doesn't curate to the next generation,

If a genre, or ideal, "curates" to the next generation, is it even still that ideal? Is that not still just fading away, or at worst, selling out?

Re: Berlin's famed nightclubs, losing customers, face an uncertain future

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Post by Gud »

deng wrote: post #73
cedws wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>if you just made it for everybody, it would no longer be a club with an underground image. It is clearly not underground because everybody knows about it. It only achieves the "image" through arbitrary discrimination. That is the least punk as you can get. None of what you said makes Berghain great goes away by letting more people experience it. The sound system and DJs will still be there. I guarantee if Berghain s…

I said "underground image". Go find an illegal rave if you want underground. Go to a punk dive bar if you want punk. Berghain simply wants to make sure that it's not overrun by tourists, because once that happens, the only thing you can do afterwards is close shop. At least it's not discrimination through money like in plenty of other clubs. You cannot buy a VIP table at Berghain. That's pretty refreshing.

It's already over run by tourists, except now only tourists who can afford to look the right way on social media are allowed in.
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