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Subtle ways Microsoft Word has changed how we use language

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Re: Subtle ways Microsoft Word has changed how we use language

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Your last sentence is hinting on something that actually has more bearing on technology effecting language: HTML. When I was first learning HTML & CSS it irked me to have to spell "colour" wrong to get things working. Now I just use the US American spelling everywhere (it helps that I'm currently in the US).

That’s still not as bad as having to spell referrer wrong in http headers where it’s spelled “referer”... which is incorrect for every flavo(u)r of English.

I remember writing a logging method for a webserver forever ago, and could not for the life of me, understand why my Referrer values were not getting logged. Finally looked at the headers, and thought it was a bug in the browser I was testing. Took way too long to figure out the problem.

Re: Subtle ways Microsoft Word has changed how we use language

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> While it would be an overstatement to say Word alone made English the dominant language, as a US firm, Microsoft's mother-tongue is American-English. When this is coupled with Word’s ubiquity, it at least reinforces this dominance. > "Word primarily operates in English," says Noël Wolf, a linguistic expert at the language learning platform Babbel. "As businesses become increasingly global, the widespread use of Wor…

My native language (and I imagine many others) didn't have any localized version of Word until the late 90s and I (and I imagine many others, even people who didn't speak English at all) got used to using English words like "Save", "Italic", "bullets" etc.

English incorporates words from other languages all the time. Large numbers of American Indian words, for example. When the US occupied Germany, a number of German words. And so on.

Heck, half of English nouns are taken from French, from when the French conquered England.

Re: Subtle ways Microsoft Word has changed how we use language

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It’s similarly comical how video-recorded board meetings will have grown-up people hold woke signs while others recite from library books with controversial wording, everyone starts shouting, and they get escorted off property for reading aloud the book (available to kids). It feels like the US is overstretching its own diversity. Maybe it’s just as bad some places in Europe, and it just doesn’t get televised.

The actual substantive issues of racism and diversity have actually been brilliantly taken over by the ultra-rich and political powers that be. What's the real giveaway? Corporations LOVE talking about them. In the social media massively distributed bullhorn industry, these issues are used to create a distracting perma-debate that both parties can employ and divide for their needed political support. But notice that…

> the fact that the rich have almost all the money

Obviously not true. The government has almost all the money. When it needs more, it just prints off a few trillion as necessary.

As for the rich, they by and large created the wealth they have. When you invest money in an enterprise that is productive, you're creating wealth.

Re: Subtle ways Microsoft Word has changed how we use language

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A lot of those points also apply to other European countries. Though regarding the quotation marks, that seems to be more the fault of the local keyboard layouts. I don't understand why German keyboards don't have the keys to write „ord“. MS Word relies on a software solution to automatically convert "ord" into the German format, but most software (like browsers) understandably don't bother with implementing such rep…

> why German keyboards don't have the keys to write „ord“ I'm assuming for the same reason American/English keyboards don't have the keys to write “place”, just "place". Which is because American/English typewriters didn't -- they invented straight quotes to save extra keys. And looking up on Google Images, it looks like German typewriters were the same -- Shift+2 was a straight double quote. It's my personal opinion…

There's also ASCII. How many characters can you fit into 7 bits? Compromises get made.

Re: Subtle ways Microsoft Word has changed how we use language

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> While it would be an overstatement to say Word alone made English the dominant language, as a US firm, Microsoft's mother-tongue is American-English. When this is coupled with Word’s ubiquity, it at least reinforces this dominance. > "Word primarily operates in English," says Noël Wolf, a linguistic expert at the language learning platform Babbel. "As businesses become increasingly global, the widespread use of Wor…

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Re: Subtle ways Microsoft Word has changed how we use language

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I'm a but wary in general about how US tech used around the world slowly erodes the nuances of different cultures. Often the software doesn't take into account how things work in other languages, different regions etc. I'm also not sure I'd blame the engineers in SV too much, of course they design software based on their own context. But with tech becoming global, it's a bit sad how it's not prioritized more. Example…

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Re: Subtle ways Microsoft Word has changed how we use language

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A lot of those points also apply to other European countries. Though regarding the quotation marks, that seems to be more the fault of the local keyboard layouts. I don't understand why German keyboards don't have the keys to write „ord“. MS Word relies on a software solution to automatically convert "ord" into the German format, but most software (like browsers) understandably don't bother with implementing such rep…

>> Other than in English-speaking countries and some Spanish-speaking countries, the terms a.m. and p.m. are seldom used and often unknown. I did not know that. The terms are from the Latin ante meridiem and post meridiem (meridiem, midday, ante before, post after) so it seemed logical to me that any Romance language would have them. But then, English is not a Romance language (but borrowed heavily from them) so, cha…

You meant to say 'delightful smorgasbord' of a language.

Don't worry; I'll forgive your insolence this time.

Re: Subtle ways Microsoft Word has changed how we use language

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> Word introduced line breaks, along with bold and italic fonts on screen. Forgot about WordStar? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WordStar

On screen. It’s talking about the WYSIWYG paradigm, which WordStar didn’t do, judging by that screenshot.

Under Windows 3.1 it had this feature where it would show you WYSIWYG text, but you could ask it to show you the markup as well. It was wonderful, and MS Word can't do it to this present day!

Re: Subtle ways Microsoft Word has changed how we use language

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My native language (and I imagine many others) didn't have any localized version of Word until the late 90s and I (and I imagine many others, even people who didn't speak English at all) got used to using English words like "Save", "Italic", "bullets" etc.

English incorporates words from other languages all the time. Large numbers of American Indian words, for example. When the US occupied Germany, a number of German words. And so on. Heck, half of English nouns are taken from French, from when the French conquered England.

Yeah, I have nothing against borrowing words. I was just refuting the (unspoken) assumption that everything got localized since the beginning of time.

Re: Subtle ways Microsoft Word has changed how we use language

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TLDR:

Word standardizes text through:

- Document templates

- English as lingua franca

- Auto correct and completion

Whether or not you agree (I personally do not find it convincing) it up to you, but there’s a summary because the article is very long-winded.

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