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I think the closing point is pretty good: these businesses are complaining about declining revenues... but also turning people away? If that's how the nightclub business works, it's better for the government to stay away from subsidizing them. Let them run their business in their own way - but without taxpayer funding.
The truth is that those clubs are more elitist than the opera house.
You also have tik tok ravers. A generation which built their own culture in isolation in the pandemic now flooding the dance floors not knowing anything about techno culture. For me it's a big part of not wanting to go anywhere anymore. Before, your outfit didn't matter, phones, photos and videos were discouraged. Nowadays these kids dress to impress and point there phones everywhere. They consume the techno culture…
I’m not sure what sort of decline the article is referring to. There’s not a single reference to revenues or guest count for any club in Berlin, nor mention of any specific club in danger of closing due to lack of patronage. These clubs were great while the city was struggling, but now that it’s not, I can see why people don’t wish to tolerate the negative externalities associated with them. Hopefully most clubs can…
Also, didn't it occur to anyone that charging regulars more to offset loss of business from casuals would drive the regulars away as well?
You also have tik tok ravers. A generation which built their own culture in isolation in the pandemic now flooding the dance floors not knowing anything about techno culture. For me it's a big part of not wanting to go anywhere anymore. Before, your outfit didn't matter, phones, photos and videos were discouraged. Nowadays these kids dress to impress and point there phones everywhere. They consume the techno culture…
For many older people it died in the 90s. When people stopped dancing and treated the DJ like it was a concert I felt it had changed into something else. I watch some of the old VHS I took and people are crowding the speakers and the floor is alive, while nowadays so much of what I see is people all facing a DJ lit up by a spotlight and just standing their bobbing their head.
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I'm talking about if current trends continue--specifically, capital continuing to flee SF.
Indeed. The whole of SV has crazy empty commercial space, and it will only get worse. And SF is in way worse shape.
What I love about the tiktok generation is seeing them in small groups with a sizable Bluetooth boombox having fun in parks and outdoor places. No need for entrance fees and gatekeeping, they can listen to any DJ from the world live or recorded. I think clubs are overrated, small gatherings and ad hoc parties are way more interesting.
Berghain likes to exclude you based on your accent, if you sound "too American" you'll have to party elsewhere. A Berlin club owner bought some buildings in Detroit too and abandoned them, the death is felt internationally. https://abcnews.go.com/International/berlin-club-owners-miss...
I'm not sure this guy could be more pretentious if he tried. Maybe they should consider that this kind of attitude might be part of the problem.
I’m not sure what sort of decline the article is referring to. There’s not a single reference to revenues or guest count for any club in Berlin, nor mention of any specific club in danger of closing due to lack of patronage. These clubs were great while the city was struggling, but now that it’s not, I can see why people don’t wish to tolerate the negative externalities associated with them. Hopefully most clubs can…
The article definitely felt light on facts. For example, by how much did they increase the cover charge to deal with falling numbers? Also, didn't it occur to anyone that charging regulars more to offset loss of business from casuals would drive the regulars away as well?
The ones that arbitrarily didn't let people get in when they were in their peak? Fuck them!
Exactly, when I was a student I used to go on the clubbing weekend trips the article describes and which are in decline. > Even Berghain, typically an anomaly because it draws crowds from around the world, has raised its cover charge to deal with rising costs. He thinks fewer Europeans are making quick clubbing trips to the city due to the financial hit of the pandemic. As a student, I had time and patience to look f…