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Email obfuscation rendered almost ineffective against ChatGPT

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Re: Email obfuscation rendered almost ineffective against ChatGPT

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Yeah. This is very “using a saw to cut a piece of steak” meme. I feel like most obfuscations can already be thwarted anyway. At this point I just see it as some cargo culting thing that nerds do in their hacker news profiles.

People have noted for many years now that getting your email address scraped isn't a thing. I assume it used to be a thing, and the cost of doing a zero-effort obfuscation is zero, so almost nobody stops.

My address 100% gets scraped via GitHub, at the very least.

Re: Email obfuscation rendered almost ineffective against ChatGPT

#52

Email obfuscation was already obsolete, if you were relying on these techniques to prevent scrapers from finding your email you have been doing it wrong for close to a decade and annoying your customers at the same time. Spam filters are really good these days and what they don't catch you can make custom filters for.

I was just thinking the same. Even hobby scrappers aren’t going to be that lazy to not transform at and dot when scrapping.

Re: Email obfuscation rendered almost ineffective against ChatGPT

#53

So you can feed 50 characters before and after any use of "com" "net" "org" or a dozen other TLDs, and ChatGPT will give you the email addresses. That saves on OpenAI bills.

It looks like you just stumbled across the one good argument for having hundreds of TLDs! :-)

Re: Email obfuscation rendered almost ineffective against ChatGPT

#54
For all the comments saying obfuscation is pointless. I have an email address listed publicly on a project website with basic obfuscation (something like x y com), plus a bit of javascript to automatically deobfuscate it in the browser. It's been there for years and never received a spam email.

But then I have another address which I've been similarly careful with but have also used on a few registrations and that gets a bit of spam (not that much though).

Reckon it'll still work a while more yet.

Re: Email obfuscation rendered almost ineffective against ChatGPT

#55

Is it just me or is "obfuscation" like "john [at] company [dot] com" trivially solved with regular expressions? Or even simple search/replace? Are there more advanced techniques for that?

I think the point is that particular type of obfuscation is an example, and a regex will only catch that one. If the obfuscation is substantially different, you'll need another regex which you'll have to write yourself. Whereas the LLM doesn't need to be told about the specific type of obfuscation in use, and can act in a more general way - including against some new types that haven't been used before.

Re: Email obfuscation rendered almost ineffective against ChatGPT

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The grid, of course, is less sure about this compromise.

The grid can be negotiated with if we put in the infrastructure.

the power cord has to have a data link (USB? or just networking over power line itself) through which the power outlet can tell the computer how much does the energy cost at any given time. this is a very welcome but very expensive addition to the infrastructure.

Re: Email obfuscation rendered almost ineffective against ChatGPT

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No large-scale email scraper has the budget necessary to run the content it scrapes through a LLM. So as far as real-world goes, nothing changes: the .2 cents it would cost to run ChatGPT on a page to extract potentially obfuscated emails would cost magnitudes more than it could ever bring in revenues. Regarding the examples provided, there is nothing there that a simple regex couldn't achieve, so I don't really see…

This is assuming you’re using a really big LLM behind a paid service. There are plenty of smaller open source models. Not sure at what point it’s not “large” but when fine tuned they are capable of matching the largest LLM in performance on narrow tasks. Some of these open source models can even be run on your local machine. It’d be very inexpensive to run thousands of pages through it. https://llm-leaderboard.stream…

Scraping is about hundred of millions/billions of pages, not thousands.

Re: Email obfuscation rendered almost ineffective against ChatGPT

#60

Can anyone explain what the ‘think step by step’ magic words referenced in the article are ?

It’s a chain of thought prompt. You literally just tell the LLM to model solve a problem or answer a question by breaking it down into smaller, manageable steps (“think step by step”).
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