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Maersk to cut 10k jobs as shipping demand drops

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Re: Maersk to cut 10k jobs as shipping demand drops

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What is the economic rationale behind a company keeping a large portion of its workforce idle? That's a waste of labor. Sure, it's probably a good idea to keep people paid for a while after layoffs to ease their transition to an in-demand job. But that's what unemployment benefits do.

What is a waste and to whom? The employees still get paid, so they get the main value they signed up for. A bigger waste would be loss of income and security for these employees. So its a waste for the bottom line of the company owners? Thats what 100 people max? Compared to 10.000 jobs and livelihoods lost its pretty clear to me.

>What is a waste and to whom?

To the economy as a whole. At the end of the day you're still having workers twiddle their thumbs not doing anything productive, with no incentive to move onto another job where they'll actually be doing something useful. We should weigh this against the workers' economic security, but let's not pretend that keeping workers around is some sort of free lunch.

Re: Maersk to cut 10k jobs as shipping demand drops

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> Danish shipping giant Maersk has posted earnings before interest and taxes (EBIT) of $30.9bn for the full year ended 31 December 2022, a 57% surge from $19.6bn in 2021. > This is said to be the firm’s best-ever annual result. https://www.ship-technology.com/news/maersk-logs-record-prof... Really sad to see these companies make enormous record beating profits then months later do mass layoffs just to maintain better…

Maersk didn't hire to meet demand. They didn't build new vessels to meet demand. Freight rates went up at same capacity as before pandemic.

Re: Maersk to cut 10k jobs as shipping demand drops

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> given that each departure costs a significant amount of money in hiring and training costs For every job in every business around the world? I doubt it.

Every job has at least 2 weeks worth of training cost. Even fast food or shelf stocking.

Thats called the cost of doing business. You cant have 100% retention.

Re: Maersk to cut 10k jobs as shipping demand drops

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Should retailers hire more people during holiday season? Or theme parks during summer vacation?

No they should not. They should manage their headcount in a way that people can have stable employment year round. If that means during Christmas your checkout line takes longer so be it. I also want a job year round, why wouldn’t someone else deserves that? This is not a conversation about amount of work vs number of people. Its amount of work vs pay. If there really is only work to do 2 months out of the year, then…

I think it's feasible in some cases but isn't in others. Here in France for instance a lot of seasonal workers are in the ski resorts during the winter and along the shores during the summer. It suits only a certain category of workers, of course.

Re: Maersk to cut 10k jobs as shipping demand drops

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>Do you suggest they keep employees around with nothing to do because of significantly reduced shipping demand? It's not unheard of in the past to resort to salary cuts, reduced hours, etc, while they bridge some solution or wait out what might be temporary. There's also the notion of better planning. If you suspect, for example, a demand spike is temporary...there are ways to deal with that other than overhiring emp…

They went from 80k employees in 2020 to 100k in 2022 (mentioned somewhere in this thread). Now they cut 10k. Maybe that is good planning? Maybe over hiring make responding to demand quicker? There are all kind of consideration, and yet people are quick to blame them without knowing facts.

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Re: Maersk to cut 10k jobs as shipping demand drops

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I'm not sure why you are getting downvoted as you are totally correct. It's a case of rules for thee and not for me. It is an uneven power balance between corporations and workers.

> It is an uneven power balance between corporations and workers. Then the solution is obvious: Workers should incorporate and sell their work under that corporate banner.

That's not the obvious solution.

A better solution for example would be giving the workers tools and knowledge to get what they want just from their job (because everyone is different).

Re: Maersk to cut 10k jobs as shipping demand drops

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Spain also, you get a relatively high portion of your salary (80%?) for 2 years if you're fired/laid off.

Wow, that's very generous. In Austria you usually get unemployment 50-60% of your wage for about 6 months depending how many years you worked.

Yes, it is. Another interesting thing from the local employment market is that an employee can't be fired for performance reasons (after the trial period). They can only fire someone for absense, HR problems or part of a group layoff (10% of workforce minimum at once).

Re: Maersk to cut 10k jobs as shipping demand drops

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So the company should ignore the needs of the market and its customers? Arguably workers should wake up and accept that jobs are not permanent or guaranteed.

Unless you are an exec I suppose - based on what I see, it seems like in good times you make money, in bad times you take responsibility and others loose their jobs, and you still make money.

Execs do not permanently have jobs. Bankruptcy is a thing, and even without that, execs are fired all the time.

Re: Maersk to cut 10k jobs as shipping demand drops

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> We need dynamic, responsive economies that can adapt to conditions, and we need strong protections for worker's rights and support for citizens through economic adjustments. So let's talk about those generous amounts of taxes that were paid by Maersk lately...

They paid nothing in comparison to normal companies.

I was being sarcastic
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