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Monsters of the Road: What Should the UK Do About SUVs?

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Re: Monsters of the Road: What Should the UK Do About SUVs?

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Cars should be taxed based on their weight and there should be much stricter standards regarding visibility. There is no reason why most of us should subsidise a few people’s status symbol and their entirely unnecessary use of public resources. Ultimately you should not be able to buy these, at least in their current form, as they serve no purpose whatsoever besides inflating their owner’s ego at a significant cost t…

I'm not in the UK. But, you can pry my minivan from my cold dead hands.

Re: Monsters of the Road: What Should the UK Do About SUVs?

#23
Note to American readers:

The most popular "SUVs" in Britain are small crossovers that are compact or subcompact cars by American standards. The Ford Puma is currently the best-selling car in the UK and while it's marketed as an SUV, it's based on the same platform as the Ford Fiesta. It has big wheels and an SUV silhouette, but the base model has a 1 litre engine with a mild hybrid system and 4 wheel drive isn't even an option.

There's a strong marketing trend towards taller cars with a more imposing road presence, but most of these cars aren't actually very big. The psychology is quite interesting - auto makers are trying to make small cars look tough and rugged without actually making them wider, heavier, less efficient or more expensive; this has in turn led to a lot of people feeling intimidated by cars that are basically just compacts in cosplay.

Re: Monsters of the Road: What Should the UK Do About SUVs?

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post #3

I’m all for fewer people driving them (most are just lifted versions of normal cars now, but more uncomfortable and inefficient), but I’m very sure messing essential safety features (correctly pressurised tyres) is not how you get that point t across.

> activists operating under the group’s banner used power tools to puncture the tyres

While a punctured tyre will deflate, reinflation of the tyre after it has been adjusted with a drill or saw is unlikely to be a simple task.

Re: Monsters of the Road: What Should the UK Do About SUVs?

#26

Note to American readers: The most popular "SUVs" in Britain are small crossovers that are compact or subcompact cars by American standards. The Ford Puma is currently the best-selling car in the UK and while it's marketed as an SUV, it's based on the same platform as the Ford Fiesta. It has big wheels and an SUV silhouette, but the base model has a 1 litre engine with a mild hybrid system and 4 wheel drive isn't eve…

But things like Land Rover models are popular, and are SUV sized no?

Re: Monsters of the Road: What Should the UK Do About SUVs?

#27

Cars should be taxed based on their weight and there should be much stricter standards regarding visibility. There is no reason why most of us should subsidise a few people’s status symbol and their entirely unnecessary use of public resources. Ultimately you should not be able to buy these, at least in their current form, as they serve no purpose whatsoever besides inflating their owner’s ego at a significant cost t…

Even better tax based on weight to number of permanent seats ratio. 7 seaters for larger families shouldn't be penalised, but structure it so manufactures can't just throw a couple of fold down seats in the back of a large SUV as a work around.

But everything about road tax needs to change with the reduction of fuel duty due to electric cars. The public haven't seen this coming yet, but it's going to be a difficult transition.

Re: Monsters of the Road: What Should the UK Do About SUVs?

#28
The state of our roads are terrible, which encourages bigger tyres and cars with more ground clearance, and hence bigger cars.

They’re so bad that any MP or councillor who promises to fix potholes will get a lot of support.

But crossover are a good compromise. They’re still quite light, have efficient engines and aren’t really that different to their hatchback counterparts. I do think car manufacturers set their prices of this segment way too high, but the market has spoken (they sell tremendously well)

However I feel the need to feel more important and bigger is a considerable factor in their popularity too. They also reflect our growing waistlines.

Re: Monsters of the Road: What Should the UK Do About SUVs?

#29

Cars should be taxed based on their weight and there should be much stricter standards regarding visibility. There is no reason why most of us should subsidise a few people’s status symbol and their entirely unnecessary use of public resources. Ultimately you should not be able to buy these, at least in their current form, as they serve no purpose whatsoever besides inflating their owner’s ego at a significant cost t…

SUVs are typically shorter and lighter than mid to high class sedans. They just look big, but you can't fit a fridge inside, unlike many station wagons.

Those aren't SUVs, they are crossovers. Mostly based on hatchbacks, but worse in every objective way.

SUV means "Sport utility vehicle". The Sport part is straight up BS, but the utility part differentiates them from crossovers. An SUV is built on a truck frame or at least needs a strengthened chassis to give it some utility like towing or offroading.

Re: Monsters of the Road: What Should the UK Do About SUVs?

#30
post #11

Is this motivated by environmentalism or is this about class?

Class... is a tricky definition here in the UK. For instance, the richest person I will ever know drives a crappy wee Japanese hatchback, whilst SUVs are often high-monthly fee status symbols for people who could spend their money 'better' elsewise. shrug

I'm in my 40's and the number of my friends who've done exactly that. We have the friends who spend their disposable on status and the friends who spend their disposable on Holidays (I'm vaca-class).
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